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Whatever. Dude get off it. You never played baseball. I am tired of having to EXPLAIN the most mundane of all things to you. If you played even little league past the age of 12, you'd see this. The fact that you don't means there is no way you ever played with people of any skill. By the way, I don't count being made the "manager" of your team as playing. It just meant you weren't skilled enough to play. You are really tiresome. You whine and bitch about the umpires/unfair calls, you think baseball is nothing more than what you get when you make trades on your PS3, and you don't see the game within the game. That in it's essence, is ok, but you try to come out and make it seem like you know what you're talking about. Enough already. Did Burnett pitch a good game? Yes. He was wildly effective tonight. Not dominant. He went 7 innings, 8 hits, one walk, 3 earned runs. He got a quality start. The game could have got away from him early, and nearly did in the top of the 3rd. Was he good? Yes. Untouchable? Please. You're like the little boy who cried "wolf"...but you've managed to do it for over 10,000 posts. You don't even have to have watched the game to have seen it for yourself, the f***ing announcers TOLD us about 10 TIMES that he was missing his spots, but that the Rangers weren't hitting him because he had such movement. In fact, O'Neill said he wanted to text Coney [David Cone] and ask him what would cause a fastball to tail instead of sink. You really are a clueless idiot. If you can't see that he missed his spots more than 50% of the time, then you are a) Retarded Didn't watch the game or c) Watch every game with a dildo up your ass screaming out "Phil Hughes is a God!" and are too preoccupied with anal bliss to realize what I'm saying. Actually...now that I think of it....

I just want you all to know I pretty much hate everyone in this thread.

7 run inning for the good guys. We're cruising at this point. I love it!

Umm... Let's see...Jose Molina had a CERA of 3.98 in 2006. You're saying he had a CERA of 12.21? On what, your Playstation? Want proof? Here you are: http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/m/molinjo01-field.shtml As for proof, I offered the most I could using limited statistics on fielding because there aren't any fielding statistics for catchers that are very accurate. The closest is CERA in my opinion when comparing catchers on the same team. You're calling ME a f***ing idiot? Get your numbers straight. Now, go run along, little boy. This is a debate for people with at leat three numbers in their IQ.

LOL!

I think he should go to the bullpen, to be honest.

Greatest defensive team of all time....the 2009 New York Yankees! I LOVE IT!!!! LOL!

Favorite Red Sox of all time: Babe Ruth Other Red Sox players I liked: Clemens Boggs Damon Of course...I only liked them when the switched teams. LOL!

I didn't. Scared you for a moment though, didn't I? :harhar:

Why did I think he was in his 50's? Oh well.

What are you talking about? Please clarify. You missed the sarcasm. This is hysterical. Just read this part over and over for a good laugh. He doesn't project them, but he developed a projection system and sold the formula...but he doesn't project them. ORS, JHB would be proud of you. I thought you were older. So we're about the same age, since I was also in middle school in the 80's. I'm 36, going on 37 in July. What about you? By the way...you're liking Joba today in our league, aren't ya? :thumbsup:

Amazing play with Joba. Play of the day.

You old fool. This has already been done. All you have to do is look at a players batting average in certain counts. 0-0, 1-0, 0-1, etc. You make no sense. You rarely do. Here..let me help you, while I watch the game. Find out what the strike/ball percentage is for a pitcher is when a catcher is behind the plate. Then compare it to another catcher on the same team. Once again, the same limitations that are on CERA exist. By the way, it's how things were done in baseball, and still are. Watching the game, that is. Too bad you don't know it. I'm just curious..since I know you're an old man...what did you do in the 80's? They only had BA as a stat then. Or did you just become a fan when Moneyball came out? As for Bill James...I would never have the time to analyze the statistics as well as he does, nor would I likely be anywhere near as good at it. I would bet you I'd see things in the watching a game that he wouldn't. It's all about practice and willingness. Oh by the way...wasn't your messiah the same one who predicted a 3.35 ERA for Hughes? He'd probably do better if he watched the gamezzz...as you so childishly like to say. I'm just waiting for an "pwned" or a "fail". It so becomes an older gent, doesn't it? Scouting is the way it has been done. All of your statistics, your formulas, especially defensive ones, are done by someone WATCHING the game and charting it. You scoff the very thing that you advocate. Funny how you scorn things you don't understand.

This is true. Mauer is hurt by the way, he may go on the DL.

That's the problem, then isn't it, ORS? You readily admit that catchers have an impact. How significant that impact is, well...that's up for debate. There is no solid statistical matrix for determining the value of a catcher behind the plate. Framing pitches, calling pitches...there is no suitable matrix, according to you. What then? Ignore it exists? The best statistical matrix we have is CERA, and it is fundamentally flawed according to you. So...such a quandry. Maybe actually watching the games? Nah..that would be too easy. While admittedly this type of information would be qualitative and not quantitative in nature, it would be valid. What would stat-heads do? I mean..how could they possibly determine anything on their own? Without logging into websites and quoting the results complex formulas [many of which are fundamentally flawed in their own right], they'd be lost. Confused. Unable to use the information on the internet, and not intelligent enough to form their own opinions, they'd probably denounce it completely or ignore it until someone tells them what to do and think by coming up with another formula. They'd lack the ability/knowledge to formulate an opinion by watching [some would also call it "scouting"]. Oh...and I do include you in THAT group.

CERA is not worthless in the least when comparing catchers on the same team. If you really think that catchers behind the plate don't make a significant difference, then I don't really think you understand the game, my friend. Refresh my memory..what exactly are the criticisms of CERA you would like me to address.

From 14th to 4th in 3 weeks. Nice. Beware of my team Keeper. I'm on your ass. I have a defeat to you I need to avenge.

Does it really bother you that much? It gives Jacko something to do. Let him be.

Sure there is. It's called CERA. The Yankees CERA is much lower when anyone but Posada catches. I've always said the defensive contributions of a catcher are VASTLY underrated. In my opinion, the most important defensive player, by far, is the catcher [not including the pitcher].

Definitely you DipreG. Someone has to mow my lawn.

As of June 1st, Gardner has more homers than David Ortiz. I f***ing love it!