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Link dead. Keep in mind the tremendous drop-off we will see from Abreu to Nady. I'm not sure of the terms, but if they are fair, I'd think about 3 years for Bobby. This is an OF in transition. My idea of a 2 year deal, the second being an option year, would still stand. If I had to guarantee the 2nd year, fine, but I would try to hold the line there.

I thought it was a minor knee-slapper. :harhar:

It is actually more relevant. You switch leagues, go to a pitchers park in a weak hitters division. Couple that with him aging 4 years as well. Would I go after him? Sure. As a replacement 4th starter. Look, if you matched him against the Red Sox, he'd lose the matchup against Lester, Beckett, and Dice-K. He's win against Wakefield. Therefore, he's your number 4. If you are going to give 15 million and sacrifice two picks, I'd rather get AJ. Lowe would be down on my list after CC, AJ, Tex, Sheets.

Sorry Jacko. The guy had a 5.42 ERA in the AL East when he was in his early 30's. He goes out to LA, in the weakest hitting division in baseball AND in a pitchers park and has an ERA in the high 3's. Remember Kevin Brown? Randy Johnson? Any pitcher from the NL, specifically the NL West, is a huge risk. Will he give you innings? Sure. Will they be quality innings? No. Money better allocated elsewhere. I'm not surprised that this idiot GM is going after him, nor that you support the move.

Lowe will be a mistake. The money is better allocated towards Tex, AJ or CC. Then again, what do you expect from a retard of a GM? Jacko...a shut down level bullpen? Dude, I want what you're smoking.

Brain fart...my bad. Still, you could have made your point without a half a page thread.

What? I don't get it. You guys here at Talksox should really keep people with Down's Syndrome from posting here.

Jacko, stop thinking that I think you're an idiot [i do, but that's not the point] and listen to logic. You're buying into the Yankees hype about their own prospects. The Yankees do this all the time, to their advantage in trying to deal those prospects away. Remember when Jackson Melian, Wily Mo Pena, Jose Tabata, and countless others were hyped up as superstars in the making? I find it difficult to believe someone who proffesses to be so intelligent can be so misled. Let me give you an example of how misled you've been, using your own words. You have predicted 16 players with an ETA from the 2006 & 2007 drafts for the Yankees. The regular season roster is only 25 players. Forgetting that most of them are pitchers, that means that we will have 16 homegrown players by 2012? You believe that? Also, 10 of them are from 2007. 6 of them are from 2006. Stop for a second, stop taking things personally. Think.. Why? Could it be that the belief in baseball that the Yankees like their prospects a lot less the closer they get to the big leagues be true? Yes. The Yankees hype their prospects to no end. You state that Austin Jackson "exploded" this year. A full season in Double AA led to a .773 OPS. s***, what would "stunk" have been? Austin Jackson may be a star. More than likely, he'll be a flop. It's simple mathematics, Jacko. You know what I define a flop/bust as? Anyone who is a bench player or worse in the majors. If you didn't make it to the majors, you were a bust. Drew Henson comes to mind. If you make it to the majors and suck. Kennedy comes to mind [although, as much as I hate the guy and his talent, I will acknowledge that the book isn't completely closed with him]. You know when the draft is a success? If you get one, just ONE major league starter from a full draft. So, 2006, because of Joba, is a success. Think about this. If you bring up one rookie who makes the team as a starter every season, you'd have 30-40% of your major league talent homegrown. That would be phenomenal. What you're advocating is that by 2012, you'd have 16 homegrown players. Not counting Joba, Hughes, Coke, Gardner...in other words everyone who's come up already. Either you are really, really stupid, or really, really naive. Stop reading the press clippings and think for yourself. This isn't med school where you memorize things, and what's written in the book is correct. Seriously. The majority of years, for most teams, do not have ONE major league starter in any one draft. It's the nature of the beast. I would trade the entire draft class of 2007, and 2006 [minus Joba] for Peavy, or Cain, etc. Why? Most of them won't make it. Unless the Padres are extremely lucky, they will get one major league starter out of it. The odds that he'll come close to one of those guys is small. I'm just playing the statistical odds. If someone had told you that the answer this season to the Yankees problems would be Ken Griffey or Lyle Overbay in the OF, you would have laughed. Yet they had the same OPS as Jackson did. They did it in the majors, Jackson in Double A. Seriously Jacko, you don't make a lot of sense. I've been calling you out for a while, finally, others are doing the same. Even if the Yankees farm system starts overflowing with talent [which will never happen], the time will come when you start trading those players for established stars. My point is this...why not sign those stars, and look at the picks as a trade? What would be the difference? There isn't one. If you're going to draft a Kennedy and then nurture him up to the majors, why not trade that pick to begin with as compensation when you sign the free agent? In fact, if they are as good as you think in scouting now that Cashman has taken over, wouldn't it be better to do that and then try to acquire equivalent talent down the road in the same draft? Stop and think about this objectively. I take no pleasure in showing you that you're wrong. In being right, I'm showing this team is trying to head in the right direction with the wrong man running it based on his track record. Can he reverse the trend? Of course. Will he? Doubtful. I haven't seen much that makes me think so. Go listen to his own words. Please do, and tell me what you think. It will take you half an hour, but give me your input. He didn't think the Yankees were in a position to sign Santana. He didn't think that the Yankees were an ace away from the playoffs...an ace away from maybe winning it all. He doesn't get it, and sadly, neither do you. The Yankees need to spend money this off-season, lots of it, hopefully on short term deals with higher AAV. This is done in the hope that when these players are done, the Yankees will be able to plug in good young players on the cheap for the good old players who are expensive. The farm system isn't good enough to support the major league level yet. If Cashman realizes this and adjusts accordingly, then fine. I'll sing his praises [well, never that much. The Santana blight will forever classify him as a below-average GM in my mind]. Unless we get two out of the following: CC, AJ, Tex, Sheets, he has not learned a thing, and we are resigned to 3rd place again. The Red Sox are younger and better. We aren't getting younger just yet. We can use money to get better. I pray you see the points I'm making. Ask most Red Sox fans if they think Cashman is doing a good job for the Yankees. They'll say no. They'll point to Theo and say "He's doing a good job". They are right. They don't read the hype you do, they see what I see. It isn't pretty in comparison. I don't follow the minors that closely. You say you do, but do you just regurgitate what others tell you? I know you are full of s*** when you said you played baseball. I asked you to point out the difference in Cano. I noticed it before he started hitting well. I called you out on it, and you were silent. If you played ball, you'd have seen it. Tell me what you think of a player, how he looks. I look at minor league players as a scout would. You point out nearly meaningless statistics in Rookie Ball. Get real.

The world has officially ended. ORS has defended me. I LOVE IT! LOL!

Bingo.

I would rather have CC for the following reasons: 1) He's done it in the AL already 2) Peavy is a career NL pitcher 3) He pitches in SD, a notorious pitchers park 4) The cost in prospects/players is prohibitive CC is a much better value than Peavy. So is AJ. So is Sheets.

Last I checked, they were in the major leagues. I'm sure that if Daniel Bard was the central point of a trade for Cain or Peavy, the Red Sox would let him go. Yes, I think Bard will do better than Kennedy. In fact, if he never makes it to the majors, he'll have done better than Kennedy. Kennedy may have cost us a chance at the wild card this year just by himself. I started listing 2004. That makes 4 years, you illiterate idiot. Do you know how to read? Go back and read my post. We have been outclassed in every draft since 2004 and probably earlier by our rivals. The only exception is 2006. I've come to the conclusion that you've become the poster boy for Yankee idiocy here at TalkSox. It's like the rest of Talksox keeps you here to laugh at your ignorant ass, and you're too retarded to know it. Go listen to your idiot on Lohud Yankees Blog. He still thinks that the Yankees were better off in not getting Santana. Listen at 17:03 of the audio of his press conference. His EXACT words: "I did not think we were ready for a complete acquisition like that at that time". No??? Why the f*** not? Did he think we were more than one player away from the post-season???? He still thinks Santana wouldn't have made a difference this year. What a f***ing moron. He goes on to say that he'd rather keep his inventory and use the free agent market this year. Then he goes on to say not to expect any specific players in the free agent market. That means CC. So would you rather have Lowe for money, or Santana for money, Kennedy, and Melky? According to what he's saying, we aren't getting CC. I've called out one idiot here, and he no longer posts here regularly. Don't be the second one. We both root for the same team. We both like the idea of building from within. I advocate activity at the major league level at the expense of the minor league level. You do the opposite. I do because the money allows us to cover any long term errors. You believe that it's a losing proposition. I would agree with you that it would be a losing proposition if we weren't the richest team in baseball and had the money to compensate for this short-sightedness. You'd rather the Steinbrenners pocket their money [nice guy that you are], I'd rather they spend it on their team [i'm selfish, I want to see a winner more than I want to see the Steinbrenners get richer]. We agree to disagree. However, my big issue is the person in charge. Cashman is ill-suited for the job. Let's quote Cashman again, this time on why he came back. "The storyline that was going to be written if I left I didn't agree with. I wasn't going to let that story be written." [16:00] The story is you've failed. What would have been written would have been accurate. What happens from now on is another story. You were given a three year contract, and you're team won less games every year you've had full control, and gotten worse every season. That is not up for debate. You've failed. You've watched your main rivals make the post-season every year, win a World Series, and wipe the floor with you in every facet of the game. Your counterpart has out-drafted you and made much better free agent decisions. That's what would have been written, and that would have been the TRUTH. I do hope that he writes a different story. I don't see it anything that makes me feel optimistic. He advocates more of the same. Let's see what he does. The only hope we have is if he alters his short-term policy to be a little closer to what I've been advocating.

BREAKING NEWS Cashman in his press conference has come out and told Yankee fans not to expect signing any specific players. Who could that mean outside of CC? Buster Olney reports that Cashman favors Derek Lowe [sic] over Mark Teixeira. How do you feel about this Jacko? No CC, no Tex, but Derek Lowe, he of the 5.40 ERA in his last season in the AL East. At this point, I may just keep my tickets and burn them.

Exactly. There is no reason with the advantages the Yankees have at their disposal to go the traditional route.

I guess from your view Crunchy...it would be.

No. It was 1983. I was 11. My first year of tickets [at least 20 games] on my own was 95. My first year of season tickets was 02.

Ok I will trade Peterson then. Best offer gets him.

Well, if he is, I should trade him, right?

If he's going to be injured, I don't know. What would be fair?

I have been a bit of a whiny bitch recently, haven't I?

I really am. I'm so f***ing sick. Not only did they give that boob Cashman a three-year deal, they GAVE HIM A f***ING RAISE! I am this close to jumping off a ledge. I can't take this s*** anymore. I'm going to cut myself and just bleed out, like the Yankees under Cashman. He still to this won't admit that not trading for Santana is a mistake. His team's poor showing has decreased a chance at getting prime free agents. His draft picks for position players has been putrid [i'll give him Joba]. He trades/drafts injured pitchers. You want to bring him back? You know, if he came out and said he botched the Santana deal and that he would be committed to putting a championship caliber team on the field in 2009, I would be queasy, not sick. If he would be aggressive for once with the richest team in baseball and sign the best player or two out there, I'd be nauseous, not sick. To give him a raise? After an abysmal 3rd place showing? I've been projectile-vomiting since I heard the news. I am so sick and tired of Yankee ownership rewarding poor performances with contract extensions that include a raise. We should have dumped Torre after 2004. Instead we gave him an extension and a raise. We should have dumped Cashman when he didn't go after Santana. Worst case scenario, after this season of horrors. Instead, he gets an extension and a raise. I can understand the sentiment to bring back Cashman. I don't agree with it, and unless he reverses his train of thought and short-term strategy, this can eclipse Pavano as the worst deal ever for this franchise. Ok, second worst after CBS bought the Yankees. Even the most ardent Cashman lover cannot defend his getting a raise. I just puked again.

What would you offer?