jacksonianmarch

Exactly. Its an MLB initiative

I do wonder if a deal of JBJ to the Phillies for Odubel Herrera might work. Odubel was having a great early career. He got a 5yr $30 mil extension then hit a rough patch in 2018 and was suspended for most of 2019. He’s a change of scenery guy. Yes, he has 2 yrs and $17 mil left on that contract, but by lux tax assessment, he costs $6 mil AAV, about half of what JBJ is projected to make.

How the hell? Guys, the Padres aren’t a large market club. They’re not taking on Price’s contract, even if it means they shed Myers. Their goal is to shed Myers, not take on a bigger, older albatross. And why would they want JBJ? They’ve got a cheaper, younger guy capable of being a plus defender in Margot.

DD and the prior regime were on the opposite sides of the philosophical debate of spend or build. Of course DD wouldn’t be able to keep those guys. It’s like a republican taking over and keeping a Democrat as a LT Gov. That isn’t gonna happen

They’re run by Chaim Bloom’s teacher. They’re not going to make another franchise saving, dumbass decision

By luck, I meant a team with pretty much a simultaneous career year. Many players had either their best season or their top 2-3 season. Some players had their “last gasp” season after being down for a few seasons. The complete destruction after 2013 validates this claim

That 2013 team was the luckiest baseball team to win a title. You cannot rely on luck. Also, the Sox did the great Houdini trade before that to rid themselves of Crawford, Beckett and AGon which allowed the Sox to spend and “spread the wealth”. The Dodgers aren’t gonna bail you out again

THIS! It is really difficult to team build from the middle, especially if you have no money to spend and no farm system to start with

Now, if I was the Gm of the Sox, I offer these two teams a deal for Betts Reds- India and Greene Dodgers- Gray and Downs

The Dodgers aren’t going to give up Pollock after one season. Also, I don’t think the Sox want Pollock. And heck, he’s under contract for longer than Price (Pollock’s fifth year is a player option).

Back to the original point of this post, realistic view of 2020. Lots has changed since the post was started. 1. The Sox have been given a “goal” (read as mandate) to get under the cap. This means that some names currently on the roster are gonna get dealt, and when dumping salary, the return in terms of now production isn’t going to be there. The benefit is in signing players or dealing for more expensive players, something they cannot do until well under the cap 2. They’ve already bid adieu to Porcello and Holt. They’ve replaced them with Perez and Peraza. We all can agree that this is a downgrade. They have done nothing to improve the pen as they have no resources (farm or money) to get an improvement. 3. They’re entering 2020 with far more injury questions than they had going into 2019. Eovaldi ended up converting to relief after elbow surgery and sucked. He’ll go back to the rotation. Price has wrist surgery and saw a velocity drop. He’s also 34. Sale’s velocity was down and he couldn’t make it to August. 4. The division is gonna be harder. The Yanks kept Gardner and Chapman. They went out and signed Cole. They’re the lead dogs by a mile. The Rays are young and have dealt off Pham and lost Garcia. But Renfroe is no joke and their top 3 of Snell, Glasgow and Chirinos is great as is their pen. If they’re healthy, they’re staying at 2. The Blue Jays have multiple second year talents and they just added Roark and Yamaguchi. They’re still gonna be 4 in the division, but they won’t lose 95 again. And the O’s still suck, so there’s that. 5. The AL is gonna be tougher. Rendon, Grandal and Roark are 3 NL names in the top 20 of FAs and they’re heading to the AL. The only top 20er to defect the AL is Didi and he’s easily replaced. Add in that the Angels are probably gonna be better, the Rangers are going for it, the White Sox are going for it and you’ve got a tougher AL. The only AL team that made a downgrade intentionally was the Guardians. Remains to be seen if they blow it up, which is possible. These 5 reasons makes me wonder why some Sox fans are so adamant about going for it in 2020. The strong likelihood is the Sox are gonna be candidates for the WC2 maybe, but are likely headed for another down year. If you win 85 and miss the POs, it’s just as s***** as winning 70 and missing the POs but without the prime draft position. Hence, a lot of proposals I’ve seen here have been for major league talent, including the one I made (mostly because that’s the direction I foresee Bloom taking). But what if Bloom made a Betts for prospects deal? What if Bloom used the financial savings to keep Price and deal him with money for prospects in 2020. What if he then waited for Eovaldi to have a good stretch and found a taker for him? What do you care if the Sox blow it up and then build a farm if running the same retreads out there misses the POs again?

I’ve been skeptical of a Price move from day 1. He makes too much money for anyone to take a risk on him and as his value is at an all time low, it means the Sox would be dealing a distressed asset. The problem a lot of fans have is they don’t want to deal a guy when he’s going good but want him out the door when he’s bad. Yes, the Sox could deal Price, but why deal him now when they’d have to eat 2/3 of the contract? Wait til June and you might only have to eat 1/4 the contract. Now another wrinkle in the Price saga is that he becomes a 10-5 guy after the season. So if they don’t deal him this year, he’s gonna be able to veto any deal, so if you’re gonna move him, 2020 is the time

Some will be shocking. Some will probably piss of the fans. But if his history tells us anything, Bloom will likely win the majority of them

It’s what I’d ask for as the Sox GM. Some pitching help, a good position player and a prospect. It’s akin to the same deal I expected them to make with the Mutts. Matz, Nimmo and a prospect

If I’m Bloom, I don’t attach anyone to Betts, I try to maximize my return for him. Betts for Seager, Maeda, and a prospect. Likely not gonna get one of their top 5, but can probably sneak a top 10 guy from them

That’s horrible for the Dodgers

They love Yankee farmhands, they probably will

you guys are funny. Flip the script and you’d be saying the opposite. The fact is, he missed half a season with his wrist. He’s recently missed half a season with an elbow. He’s had one healthy year in the last 3 and is coming off surgery on his throwing arm/wrist. His value is in the shitter until he proves he’s healthy and effective

He will have to fulfill his military obligation prior to joining the Sox

If he finds his fastball again (not likely) then he’s a hell of a low risk option.

Price is ACTIVELY hurt and has just had throwing arm surgery.

Pollock's contract isn't that big of a bear and as always, if he is healthy, he can be highly effective. I doubt they see Pollock's value as negative, especially if he does his standard .800+ OPS and average to plus defense over 120 games or so

He doesn't have enough service time to refuse an assignment. All a team would need to do is offer him a 40 man spot and he is claimed

I loved Chance Adams as a prospect. He had elbow surgery to remove some bone chips prior to 2018 and never regained his fastball. Chance Adams at 97mph is a far more appealing player than Chance Adams at 91mph

Voit can swing it too, so that’s not entirely perfect. Listen, I wonder if Gio moves around the diamond a little bit to ensure everyone gets rest