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OK, let's just recap and then put this thing to rest. From Example's QUOTE OF HIMSELF, he posted: According to Example, Jacksonian's reply was: Sarcasm aside, Jacksonian thought it would take more. The deal allegedly on the table, and this was referred to by Example, was Crisp, Lester, Kalish, Lowrie and Masterson. Under the assumption that those were the players being offered, per Examples own post, I disagreed with Example that he'd predicted correctly, on the basis that: Lester, Kalish and EITHER Bowden or Masterson I further stated that based on that list of players (from Example's post) Jacksonian was more accurate...it would take much more than Lester, Kalish, and one of Bowden/Masterson to get Santana. While your support of Example1 is commendable I think its pretty clear that his original prediction fell short of what even he had heard was the pending deal, yet he felt it necessary to toot his own horn. I gave credit where credit was due, but not where it wasn't warranted. If the deal ultimately turns out to be more in line with Examples original prediction, then let me say, in advance, kudos.

Sorry we didn't read your mind regarding those you didn't mention, but all we can do is look at what you posted and compare it to the deal that the Sox have proposed...and they are not close in terms of overall value. I commend you on nailing some of the individuals involved, though, that was heads up. However I think Jacksonian has actually been vindicated as your proposal, AS STATED in your post, would not have come close to landing Santana...well maybe Carlos Santana...but not Johan.

Dude, your proposed deal above is pretty far off from what supposedly is on the table now as you excluded Crisp and said "Bowden OR Masterson." You proposed 1 24 yr old lefty and 2 prospects...and the deal now sits as that lefty, a strong defensive CF and possibly 3 prospects. Jacksonian is correct, your proposed deal would have returned little and is not representative of the deal allegedly in place. But keep patting yourself if you like.

Just spoke to A Yankees Exec Who Can Be Trusted and learned this: An indictment of the Yankee FO as a whole?

link?

Quite possibly true. With their offense they'd win at a good clip and I suspect they'd make the playoffs.

Couple of thoughts: Some of us have raised whether the Sox were not really that interested in dealing prospects and perhaps were upping the ante for the Yanks. How do we know the Yankees weren't doing exactly that? Also, who is to say that the Twins don't take get as far along as they can with the Sox and then take one last stab with the Yanks saying "we're about to do a deal...if you can sweeten your offer with player X we'll trade with you, otherwise we've got to do this other deal?" Until this thing is done officially, I'm not taking anything for granted.

In Hughes the Twins could have been looking at the next Roger Clemens...after all he already pulled a hammy, didn't he?

No. Personally I think Hughes has greater upside. Assuming the recent rumors are true, then apparently the Twins do not see enough of an upgrade in Hughes (despite his enormous minor league success) over Lester (11-2 in his MLB career) to be inclined to move in the direction of the Yankees offer.

This required its own thread?

Milledge is likely more of a tool than any of use know. While I consider the trade a wash, with perception having been that Milledge was a rising star, I think its reasonable to expect more in return for him, but I think its likely known what a f***ing tool he is.

What have Hughes and Kennedy done that refutes that school of thought?

If you're asking "who cares about the rule?" then I agree with you. If you're asking "who cares that he insulted Francona" then I can only answer for myself and say I care a little...I think Watson is a total jackass. Again, could not give a rat's ass about the rule, but it was inappropriate to take a pot shot like that.

Had Shoppach played more at the ML level for the Sox, who is to say he wouldn't have decreased his value? After all, he's only a second string guy, right? Maybe the Sox showed great insight by not playing him much and thereby not letting the league learn that he was less valuable than perceived.

Just curious (and I don't have time too research) but: Was it Watson that wanted the Sox to clean up their helmets a few years ago? Did Watson rule that Pesky could no longer stay in the dugout?

Pretty f***ing unprofessional and condescending to name it "the Francona Rule" and then refer to "a nightshirt." What an *******. 'nuf said.

If they were, and they responded objectively (which we know they would not), perhaps they'd say "Francona knows what young guys NOT to flee from and which ones TO flee from." That's a talent in and of itself, and deserves to be noted. WMP? Please.

What article? Who is the f***ing genius that wrote that?

two-thirds of that trio is ok...but seriously..you want Gagne being a primary 7th inning guy? What about Oki? Delcarmen? Timlin?

Who knows...you can decide for yourself I guess, and you might start by reading the previous 23 pages of this thread.