26 Reasons to Hate Us

Do you have ADD or something?

Um, yeah. I get that the NL ERA is lower every year by about that. But how does that directly compare pitchers making the transition back and forth? It's not the same to just say one league is around .30 lower every year. Nice try, though.

Obviously age was a huge factor for Brown and Johnson. I said that earlier. But as for the injury issues of Vasquez, Pavano, etc., it's not like pitchers don't throw through injury problems when they are in the NL too. btw, where did you get .30? Are you just "guesstimating" that as well? How is that any different from the general public guesstimating 1? Or a GM of a Major League team guesstimating almost 1.5?

I said that.

Haven't found a statistical analysis, I will look more if I get time after work. But here are several more examples, and even an article discussing the issue with some GM's in the league who say the same thing: http://www.sportscolumn.com/story/2006/8/21/224021/716 http://proxy.espn.go.com/mlb/columns/story?id=2521701 (ESPN Insider. Google this URL and view the cached page and you can read it.) "You always had to make allowances," said another general manager. "It used to be you'd factor in a half-run difference in a pitcher's ERA (going from one league to the other). Now, it's more like one and a half runs -- or close to it." Cases in point: recent free agent and trade busts such as Matt Clement, Carl Pavano, Randy Johnson, Esteban Loaiza and many other pitchers who have made difficult transitions from the NL to the AL. All have seen their ERAs rise significantly since coming to the AL over the last two years. Loaiza's struggles (3.77 ERA in 2005; 6.34 ERA this year) with the A's have been the most pronounced of the group. http://www.boston.com/sports/nesn/wilbur/sports_blog/blog/2006/06/21/national_disgrace/ We may miss them, but it’s becoming more and more evident exactly why Pedro Martinez, Derek Lowe, and Bronson Arroyo are flourishing in the NL (a combined 20-9). Heck, Alan Embree, who couldn’t buy an out last season, has a 3.65 ERA with the Padres this year. Conversely, we know why Rudy Seanez and Julian Tavarez came to Boston in the offseason with pretty good resumes. John Wasdin could switch leagues and become a 14-game-winner. I understand there’s a time and place for hyperbole and that we may have just crossed it. But think about it, while Arroyo leads the list of guys who are enjoying success in the NL after life in the AL (as are guys like San Diego’s Chris Young -- 6-3, 3.27 -- and Philadelphia’s Tom Gordon -- 20 saves, 1.47 ERA), Baltimore’s Kris Benson (8-5, 4.32) is probably the pitcher with the most success in making the opposite transition. Other than that, you have plenty of your classic Matt Clement, AJ Burnett, and even Josh Beckett struggles to fall back on as primo examples. Mike Remlinger is dependable in Atlanta. Kyle Farnsworth is anything but in the Bronx. If the GMs take it into consideration, it must be more than public perception. Like I said I will try to find something statistical about the whole league.

Only time will tell. All I know is that the Yankees certainly aren't going to worry when they see him on the mound next year..

I think you mean people go deep on him in games. 700, give it time. If he were in the AL his first 6 years like Wright was, their numbers wouldn't be all that different. A few years with the sox should even that out.

The Yankees still manage to overshadow the Mets.

Sorry, I looked in the Yankee forum and the General Baseball forum and there was nothing there.

where are all of these threads?

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=2621860 holy s***

Wow i didn't know all that calendar stuff. Turns out early humans were pretty retarded.

reminds me of another young successful playoff pitcher who hasn't been the same since... Regardless, Wright is not the answer in the playoffs. We need a serious big game pitcher, and not a guy who did it five years ago like Randy..

....and he wasn't 18. And it was a game 5, not a game 7. And it was the ALDS, not the ALCS. And he gave up 3 runs in 5.1 innings. So yes, it DOES get bigger than that.

No, no he didn't.

I was here yesterday. Read a few threads but didn't post anything..

f***. Can anyone near a TV tell me if the rain delay is going to end anytime soon?

We're not "running over" here. We've been here all year. We were here when we were in 2nd place, and we are here now that we finished first. That's why the purpose of us celebrating is not just to gloat. We are here celebrating when the Yankees succeed AND we are here eating crow when they fail. I know for me I mention that stuff after someone bashes either the Yankees or me personally first.