Neither Bard or Doubront has any major league track record as a starter. Bard has elite stuff, but the only record he has as a starter in the professional ranks is as a failure. We have no basis for predicting their 2012 performances as starters. The best we can do is hope for the best, but I agree with Emmz. My mind doesn't spin in the direction of 15 win seasons with sub 4 ERA. Hell, I'd be okay with 200 innings and 15 win seasons with sub 4 ERA's from out top 3 guys. I think they can do better, but not a whole lot better and they are All Stars. I spent too many years of my youth in the 60's, 70's and 80's having expectations like that for guys who I can't even remember today. I can't go down that road.