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It counts as much as any other game. If we had won on opening day in 2011, the Sox would have been in the playoffs.
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It's too bad as an ardent Red Sox fan that you can't appreciate the career of the best closer in team history. I realize that you have a good deal of Papelbon hate. You can build on that as his is putting up saves for the next 5 years for another premier franchise on the east coast.
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On opening day, we will not have a closer.
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It doesn't make the opposing point of view "tinfoil".
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The teams best DH is 36. Papelbon is 30. I would have preferred that Ortiz had been cut loose and Papelbon stayed and been overpaid.
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That's not the argument. You said a poster was wearing a tinfoil hat for being concerned about one or both of these relics coming to camp. I am just pointing out the sequence of events. The Sox offered them both minor league contracts. Neither player declined the offer until after camp opened. They announced their retirement after receiving very clear indications from Bobby V that neither would make the team. Spin that however you want.
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I don't usually insult you, but on this you are nut. He is the best closer in team history. Period end of story.
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An injury to Salty or Shoppach prior to March 1st would have resulted in Tek wearing a Sox uni in spring training. As for Wake, after seeing how poorly the back of the rotation guys performed in spring training, he probably regrets not suiting up. He has a very big ego despite his nice-guy public image. They left the decision up to the players. If one or both of them had shown up, it would have been a fiasco. As of the opening of camp, neither had turned down the offer. Bobby V had to hit them over the head for them to wake up and see the reality.
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Wake was in Ft. Myers testing the waters right from the beginning, and maybe one or both of them would have suited up had it not been for Bobby V saying that neither had a chance of making the team. A team doesn't usually cut ties with players by offering them minor league contracts. It wasn't as tinfoil as you think.
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Wake and Tek were offered minor league contracts and invitations to Spring Training.
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So, the additional 10 saves don't have value to you. To each his own. The late innings will be very uncomfortable for us as fans this season. I have no doubt about that. We've been spoiled by the stability that the 2 studs Papelbon and Bard have given us over the years.
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I think they are arguing out of both sides of their mouth on this one. I don't know what they gain in the discussion by establishing that last year's pen wasn't bad when the two biggest cogs from that pen are no longer in the pen. It certainly doesn't help the Papelbon isn't worth the money argument, especially when we pay a slug like Lackey even more than Papelbon gets. I wonder how the 2011 pen's stats look without Bard and Papelbon.
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He didn't want to be here, because they didn't want to pay him and made no attempt to sign him. Bailey
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But Bailey is so cheap at $4 million.
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A thumb injury, depending on how severe can keep a pitcher out for an extended period. Bailey, at 40 innings like has averaged over the last few seasons, is not something that will be good for this team.
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Just a thumb?
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I agree that Bard should be going back to the pen. The problem is Bard wants to be a starter, and he'll be an unhappy camper in the pen. From what I am hearing, Aceves was quite unhappy to be going back to the pen. The whole Bard and Aceves to the rotation plan had too much downside an too little upside. It was a very bad idea. Neither shot the lights out as starters. The better of the two-- Aceves-- is going back to the pen. The more dominant reliever-- Bard -- is staying in the rotation-- for now. The pen has been weakened tremendously and the improvement to the rotation by Bard is questionable at this point.
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In his process of rebuilding, Theo has given Cub fans nothing worth watching in 2012. They are loyal fans, but the Cubs have always had a few stars to excite their fans even when the team sucked. This team has nothing. It will be interesting to see how they do with their attendance.
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Red Sox 2012 fearless prediction thread
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