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Maybe I linked to the wrong thing.:dunno: MannyHOF24 predicted that we would go on a 29-5 run. In response to that prediction, I posted that the Sox would reward his loyalty and hope by going on a 6 game losing streak.

Some of Bobby V's almost despondent comments and his disengaged attitude in the last week make it seem that he is begging to be fired. However, I would still be surprised if they fire him before the end of the season. This team's s***** pitching and lack of any offensive punch leaves it with no hope of anything other than being a doormat in September. I don't think they will put someone in the job on an interim basis to steer this sinking ship into port. They would just be setting up someone for defeat.

http://www.talksox.com/forum/game-thread-forum/16943-8-27-vote-pedro-2.html#post800023 ^ More evidence of why I am the King of TalkSox.

I have been well, mi compadre. I hope things are going well for you. Our team sucks so bad that I think that they have a very good chance of finishing with a record worse than anything they have done in 45 years. Continuing the Theo regime with Cherington has been a disaster. They have cleared their payroll. Now, they need a whole new FO team to rebuild the on-field product.

Based on what they did last off season when they clearly needed pitching, I can say that I don't have a clue what they will do in the off season. I know what they need to do. I just don't know if they will do it.

It would be great. I just wish the Sox could help out by beating MFYs a few times.

Dice K blows. I hope they do not re-sign this bum. He stinks. His contract was a typical Theo bust contract.

What year could a lineup like this take shape in a way that they are all producing solidly at the MLB level? Not all of these guys will work out. Most probably will not. Those that do work out will develop at very different rates. A lineup like this is a real long shot, and we would be perennial losers while waiting for it.

You guys are right on the money with this. I can see that there will be lots of arguments this off season that the pitching will be improved with 1 acquisition and some rearranging of the junk. That ain't gonna work. I'll state it up front before the 2012 season ends. Let people call me nuts and argue with me, and when I am proved right, people will make their insulting remarks. Please someone sig this so it will be out there all off season and during the 2013 season. The Sox will have no shot at winning their Division in 2013 if they only acquire 1 starting pitcher in the off season, regardless of who that pitcher is.

Maybe they are afraid to expose him. Sometimes prospects lose all their value when it becomes obvious that they can't hack it in the big leagues. I am just not seeing anything so special about this guy on either side of the ball.

And there is no going back. Bard is a shot pitcher and he will never again be a late inning shut down type pitcher. Aceves will resent going back to being a middle inning relief guy. Trade them both, because they will never again be of any use to the Sox.

Bobby V is just going through the motions at this point. I think they are supporting Cherington, because he is an obedient puppy.

There is no hope that this team will be interesting as a spoiler.

E1, for as long as you have known me, you have always been wrong about me. You still don't get me and you project onto me. I wasn't negative in 2007 or 2008. In 2009, people were worried in August that Texas and Tampa would catch us for the Wild Card. I was confident and told people that Texas and Tampa would fold, and they did. Last year, I was thrilled about our prospects going into the season, and I was completely baffled by their slow start. When late August and early September came I could see things were going badly and that they were headed for a collapse. Was I just being negative and I got lucky that time as well? Negative? No, negative to that. Critical? Yes, but you can't honestly analyze something without being critical. If an analysis points out only strengths and good things, it's not worth anything. People who analyze like that are just pom pom wavers. Is that how I should characterize you, E1-- as a pom pom waver? I have probably logged more hours of watching baseball than many posters have been alive on this forum. When I say someone stinks, they generally stink. If I say that we don't have enough pitching, we probably don't. That's not negative. That's a rationale assessment. What's positive is that no matter how bad the Sox are I always watch them with the hope that they will win. You say that "[t]his year it worked out for {me}". That's a really odd statement. You may enjoy them losing because it will give them a better draft choice. I am not enjoying this one bit. The losing has affected my mood this summer, and last September I had a headache every night starting at 5 pm and it got worse as the night wore on. I can watch and root and hope for my team even when I know rationally that they are not good. That's positive. You say that "it wasn't unreasonable to think this team would be much better than it is." Well, yeah duh. I have repeatedly posted that they are far worse than I had expected them to be. I never expected them to be one of the worst teams in baseball. I never expected the wheels to come off so early, but I did know that they would not be a strong contender and that the division was probably out of reach. The second wild card was a possibility as far as I was concerned, but not the division. We came north with thin starting pitching and a closer that had never closed and no good back of the bullpen options. The injuries did not kill this team. Lousy pitching killed this team. The injury that impacted us most was the injury to bailey, and was anyone really surprised that he got injured? Strong teams are not built like that. People who analyzed the team critically could see what the pom pom wavers like yourself could not see.

Luck is the residue of design. The O's are not luckier than the Red Sox. They are a better team than the Red Sox. Attributing the outcome of a 162 game season to luck makes us look like the whiny wusses that Yankee fans have been mocking for my entire life.

I don't think any of them would have helped us this season. It's a list of players that we traded to s***** teams that are by and large still s***** and they wouldn't have helped the 2012 team much at all. We've only been s***** for a full season and it's panic time in Boston.

That was their nickname and I remember them well--Lynn and Rice. My recollection is that Lynn hit pretty well that September including a few bombs. Rice had been the IL Player of the Year.

And the teams that we traded these guys to still suck with the exception of the A's and the Pirates. We traded Sanchez to the Marlins who still suck. Brandon Moss got traded to the Pirates in 2008 and they sucked until this season. The rest of the teams that we traded with-- the Guardians, Padres and Astros still suck.

Especially at night. The ball carries well there during the day, but it plays very different at night.

Exactly, and people who saw that this team were doomed from the start were accused of being negative an lousy fans etc. We're still here even though losing and being embarrassed sucks.

We haven't played under .500 since 1997. If they lose 90 games, it will be the first time since 1966. Even I don't remember that team. This is not normal. Being out of contention by the middle of August is not normal, and I have been rooting for them for 45 years.

Another new low for the season. Goodness, they are so embarrassing that they should start playing with paper bags on their heads.

SBF was right about Bard. He's shot.

I think Bard needs to figure out what his career will be after baseball.