Originally Posted by Jasonbay44
I think you are misunderstanding what me and many others are arguing in this Leon debate. I am not saying Leon is the reason the pitchers were good, or that Vaz is the reason they are bad.
My argument is, neither Leon OR Vazquez are good hitters, they are both very bad hitters. However, Leon is way better defensively (and yes it is a pretty large difference, the metrics support this) and the pitchers seem to be more comfortable with him for whatever reason. So why have Vazquez over Leon? If they both suck in one area, and Leon is superior in the other, why keep Vazquez over Leon? There is nothing Vaz does better, that is the point being made. I'm not arguing that the pitchers are sucking because Leon, if they are MLB pichers being paid millions and can only pitch to Sandy Leon, that is a completely different issue I don't even know how to toggle.
I do understand what you are saying. I do think that Swihart and Vasquez are better offensive players. I am not sure how much catcher defense really matter.
Starting Catchers by World Series Champs:
2018 Leon (Now in AAA)
2017 McCann (backup catcher now, not a good catcher, criticized for ability to frame pitches )
2016 Montero (backup catcher now)
2015 Perez (out of baseball now)
2014 Posey (not a good defensive C, regardless of GG hello Jeter...no longer a catcher)
2013 Salty (not a good defensive C, out of baseball)
2012 Posey (not a good defensive C, regardless of GG hello Jeter...no longer a catcher)
We are overvaluing him. Simple as that.