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Will Ellsbury be back after his contract ends?
ORS replied to redsoxbeatz's topic in Boston Red Sox Talk
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Yep, file this under the 12" cock and the "I'm married to a supermodel" claims. Indeed, it is. Common sense? You must be joking. Common sense is what lead to me recognizing the contradiction in you original point, the one you refuse to address. It's' really a rather simple concept, you said the better baserunner would score more......you said the reason Crawford has scored as many runs as Pedroia, despite their spots in the lineup, was because he was a superior baserunner....however, a common sense review of the stats shows that Pedroia has been the superior baserunner, yet he hasn't scored more runs. This doesn't prove your point, no matter how many times you suggest it does, in fact, it disproves your point, quite effectively. This is what you keep running from. There's no trickery. I've directly, not offhandedly, asked for you to provide a response to the contradiction inherent to you original point. Apparently, this is something you refuse to do.
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Still trying to ignore the failure of your first point, huh?
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Pedroia played college ball, then went through the progression of minor league levels. Think that might have something to do with those counting stats? Not lately they haven't been, but they did have a rough start to the year, and you still haven't addressed the contradiction, so I'm still waiting.
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So, this team is pretty good, no?
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Will Ellsbury be back after his contract ends?
ORS replied to redsoxbeatz's topic in Boston Red Sox Talk
He's in his first arb year now, so it's two more years before he becomes a free agent. If he continues to play like this, I think they make a serious attempt to resign him. Two years from now they will be at the end of Lackey's contract, Youk's contract, the final year of Beckett's contract, no more Papi (most likely), Matsuzaka, Drew, Cameron, Scutaro, etc. I'm pretty sure the funds will be there. I also think it's more likely that Youkilis is not brought back in 2014 than Ellsbury. Remember, Youk was a late bloomer, and will be going into his 35 y/o season when his contract is up. He doesn't seem like the type to carry his production into his late 30's. -
This is the contradiction - Barney style - just for you because you still don't get it. You are saying the better baserunner will score more. Pedroia is the better baserunner so far this year. Pedroia has not scored more. See? If the better baserunner has not scored more, your point falls flat on its face. It is an illogical argument to continue supporting it when such a contradiction exists. It means, like others have said in this discussion, that there must be some other contributing factor that your argument does not account for, like the fact that scoring runs is a situation dependent outcome - with that situation being what the hitters behind the baserunner do. EDIT: Oh, and I just noticed the part about total bases and SLG. I guess we are playing the moving target game. Whatever, career SLG: Pedroia .449, Crawford .442....yawn.
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He is, but I'm not sure I could take any more of the "speed at the top" arguments that would follow if we added him.
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I don't believe you. If you understood linear weights, you would know that it is not a stat that will explain what you are asking for, so it hasn't failed at anything. Also, for the sake of argument, please rectify the following contradiction. Your argument is that Crawford will move into scoring position more often than Pedroia via his speed, yet, Pedroia has more stolen bases to date, and Pedroia has done a better job taking extra bases on balls in play (1.8 BsR to Crawford's -0.5). How do you reconcile your point with this contradiction? If what you are saying is valid, Pedroia would have scored more runs. This is a big fat red flag. You can either acknowledge how weak your argument is relative to the actual events, or you can consider the discussion closed, because I won't engage in further debate when you display this level of ignorance.
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No, the values are what they are. I did not assign those values, the game of baseball did. Do you know what linear weights is/does?
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Best stuff from Beckett so far in the game. Bring him out for the 8th.
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There is zero, zip, zilch threat of NY picking up Ortiz after this year. No way they pick up a full-time DH, not with that roster, those contracts, and the advancing age.
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Things are going swimmingly this inning. Time to visit the short porch again, Papi.
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Pour....it....on....
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Love me some Swisher in RF. Good times.
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But you could be. Every single time you throw at someone's head (or knee) you could be ending their career. There's no place in baseball for intentionally doing something that could have this result. If you want a guy off the plate, then pitch inside. If you hit someone while pitching inside, OK, that's an accident, not intentional. Are you following here? Intent.....
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Exactly. Lots of straw around here lately.
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Why does it matter what "type" anyone is? None of the players in question can accurately be described with the "types" you suggested. And the argument you presented is that speed is more valuable than not making outs. Statistically, there's nothing to support that claim.
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Intentionally? ****.
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Great minds, and so forth... To add to the discussion since the topic of contributions other than SB on the basepaths has come up. They track that too. Crawford averages about 3 BsR (base running runs not including SB/CS) a year, Pedroia about 1. When you add that to the nubmers I posted before, Pedroia is still the better offensive player by 7 runs in the BB/Baserunning comparison.