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gluttonous f***s!
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One of us must be misunderstanding the other. I'm not saying the collapse in 2011 was due to injuries. I just hate the argument that a poor performance can never be blamed on injuries. It absolutely could... like in the scenario that I laid out with two top pitchers and two top offensive players going down. 2011 was due to other factors. Similarily, if the acquisition of a player who adds 6-8 wins can account for a team going from no playoffs to playoffs, then likewise the loss of a player who adds 6-8 wins can account for not making the playoffs. I think adding a pitcher like Buchholz for a full season makes them better because his production is not easily replaced.
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The guy has been compared to Miguel Cabrera. 61 ABs isn't the only data that exists for the kid.
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I looked at reality and pulled it from there. Some players on some teams are just irreplaceable. You guys like to pretend the world of players is infinitely deep and that budgets don't exist. Injuries aren't an excuse, they are a cause. In every sport if enough good players are lost from a team they won't win. If the pats lose Brady they aren't a SB caliber team compared to teams who don't lose their best players. If Beckett and Buchholz and Pedroia and Ellsbury all go down then I won't be as optistic. Neither will the Vegas odds makers.
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I wouldn't project Pineda to be better than Felix in two years. That's a really high projection to make in the same post where you are ripping Monteros ceiling.
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If CC's arm falls off next year I will be perfectly fine with Yankees fans using that as an excuse if they miss the playoffs. If Roy Halladay and Cliff Lee get injured the Phillies don't have the best rotation anymore and won't be as good. Hence the results should suffer directly because of the injuries. Seems pretty basic to me. Sometimes people use injuries as an excuse when it isn't legitimate (like, if I were to use Lackey's injury as an excuse next year). Sometimes they just are legitimate. Saying that there were players who were injured and are coming back, and hence production should go up, is not using injuries as an excuse. It is accounting for the lost production with a reasonable guess.
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Twitter: Brian Cashman stressed, "huge risk" in deal w/Mariners. "I gave up a ton (for Pineda). To me, Montero is Mike PIazza. He's Miguel Cabrera." They better get a damn good pitcher back if they are giving up a Piazza or Cabrera, but those comps for Montero aren't unreasonable.
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Absolutely. Both filled their holes. No, the Mariners wouldn't have traded Pineda for Kalish straight up. Kalish is recovering from surgery and has never been considered a top 5 prospect. Montero is 22 years old and might be able to stay at catcher. The Mariners need a middle of the order bat more than anything. Now they have one who is still a first year rookie. Kalish is a very good prospect and should be able to fill a hole the Sox have, but he's not a top five prospect.
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No you didn't, you just said you would trade either for Pineda, which seems pretty obvious, particularly if a team needed pitching more than hitting. The Mariners, on the other hand, probably feel pretty damn good that they just got arguibly the best offensive prospect not-named Harper and kept Felix Hernandez in the process.
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Not too long ago there were many on this board saying they would never trade a superstar position player for a superstar pitcher. I disagreed, but the argument is a solid one. The Yankees needed pitching more than they needed hitting, but not by a lot. Montero is an elite bat at the most offensively weak position in the game. This isn't all bad.
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Clearly. The Yankees trade essentially equal talent for a relatively unproven #2 pitcher, and sign Kuroda, and you're ready to judge a GM who is 3-4 months into his job and who, by all appearances, is working to stay under the cap by request. That last part is frustrating, but the Yankees didnt just land Felix Hernandez for a bucket of baseballs. Let's see how Kuroda does in the AL East and let this all play out.
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I'm merely pointing out that another site had a headline that was directly contradictory to what you said. Kuroda just got less than was speculated and less than he was asking for. Oswalt was asking for more than 8m. I realize this goes against what you were saying throughout, but it is a natural economic phenomenon: teams aren't willing to pay what they are asking, their asking price comes down when teams don't blink. I'm not saying they will get one of these guys for 5m, but Boras was asking for Jackson to get 5 years and Oswalt was asking for more a few weeks ago. That means their price as come down.
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FWIW, MLB trade rumors had a post today titled "Asking price drops for Oswalt, Kuroda and Jackson". They listed Kuroda's price as 10-11m and that's basically what he got... DOWN from where it was before. Oswalt is down to 8 apparently. http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2012/01/asking-price-drops-for-oswalt-kuroda-jackson.html Not that MLB TR is gospel, but it does fly directly in the face of what you are saying above.
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I'm not pleased with the acquisitions by the Yankees. Longterm, I'm glad they lost Montero, but short term they added Kuroda and that makes their rotation stronger in one swoop. Of course, it's two RHP and the Sox can handle RHP pretty well. I'm glad it wasn't a tough lefty to complement CC. If the Sox add a pitcher like Oswalt or Jackson on a one year deal then I will feel better. If they stand pat then their hill just got quite a bit harder to climb. Am I writing them off? Not at all. In fact, I think the new additions should light a fire under the Sox players and pitchers to prove that they aren't a slouch. However, like everyone else, I'm human and when the Yankees make some big moves it makes me want the Sox to do the same. Stupid emotions!
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I'm not sad to see Montero leave the AL East. Not at all. Pineda is a good pitcher though. Signing Kuroda too kind of sticks in my side.
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