schillingouttheks

You're all going to be on the receiving end of Yeszir's wrath IF THIS DOESN'T STOP.

Apparently he's a coach at a very high level and Baseball Prospectus is just another s*** site.

Well, RtT and WuT? lol

Even with that point (and it actually does make me feel better, to be honest), how often does it seem that the commissioner actually measures up cases like these against others? I think he's going to look at it, and determine on his own set of factors what the punishment will be; not versus any other event that didn't take place in even close to nearly of an important time during the season. Anyway, even if he did line it up, I'm still not happy that it would be 5 games. That's too many for Youk to not be in the lineup.

I understand that, and I'd be pretty pissed too. However, when I'm at work, I try to keep it as professional as possible. Would you ever go balls out and jump on a worker from a rival company because he was insulting you all the time while you were on the clock? I know that's not the same as having a 90-mph heater chucked at you consistently, but the outcome of good job performance from me doesn't often involve being a part of a team who is striving to be the best in the world at what they do. Look, I understand, I really, really do. We may have to agree to disagree on this, so we can continue agreeing. I'm not saying that I don't expect Youkilis to crack - I am saying that he needs to be aware that in his line of work, the consequences of cracking affect way more people than just himself and hurts his team.

I hated it. I agree that it was a stupid thing to do. Here's the deal - baseball is a calm game on the field for the most part, and very rarely (if at all) do one's emotions factor into the game's outcome. I understand that Youkilis was angry, I understand that he snapped - it happens. However, when you're making your living playing a game on a team for which you are a key aspect and needed almost every day, this is not the way to go about venting your frustration. I never bought into any of the "lighting a spark under their ass" through charging the mound/plunking someone, or clubhouse chemistry, or any of that crap because it focuses on the emotional side of a baseball game way more than on the fundamentals and brains of the game. The latter two are way more important in long-term success. There are two sides that get "fired up" in a brawl - don't forget that. AND, if you had to determine who's more pissed off after last night's fiasco, I would say the TIGERS. Youk went after their rookie pitcher, got to him, tried to take him down, but the rookie TOSSED YOUK DOWN LIKE A LITTLE **********. If you're going to charge a rookie pitcher, at least don't let him take you down. Okay? 1) Lowell's hip is hanging by a thread. If one more thing happens to him because of exaggerating the injury, he could possibly land on the DL for the rest of the season, if not force him to RETIRE. It's THAT big of a deal. 2) WHY THE f*** DID HE ALSO THROW THE HELMET? What's getting lost in here is that everyone keeps forgetting that Porcello is a rookie. I'm not saying that he should get a pass for plunking players because he's young, but I don't think that will look too good in the commissioner's eyes. Not only that, but he threw his helmet. That alone, without starting a brawl, could get someone suspended for a game or two. I see a 6- or 7-game suspension for him, and I'm praying it gets shaved down. Like someone said, this is the first time in awhile a batter was able to reach the pitcher. 3) Our positional flexibility just went down the shitter. If something happens to Lowell while Youkilis is out, what happens? Woodward and Green are in the same lineup? If Varitek needs a rest? Ortiz is playing 1B with Baldelli or Reddick at DH. You've got to be s***ing me. It's like the 2006 plague struck our lineup this time. And even our pitching is quite suspect. I know it's only for about a week, but this was not the smart thing to do. The team just went on an 0-6 road trip through TB and NY. You think they need any more "firing up"? Great, let's just make matters worse by losing our all-star MVP candidate first/third baseman. In a season where one game can make a difference, losing Youkilis for hopefully not more than 5 of them is a big deal because it's mid-August. The only positive that can come out of this, obviously, is if it gets everyone else to start hitting. No, they won't be hitting because it "lit a fire under their asses", but rather because they need to f***ing step up and the law of averages kicked in. No one can suck this bad for an extended period of time. I'm glad they won the game, and Lowell was only in the game because Youk got thrown out. I hope they make it through this, but I dunno. They can, but they may not. They won that game in 2004 because they played a better game the rest of the way than the Yankees did, and got lucky that Mo served one up to Mueller. It was the turning point in the season because it was a game that they were not going to win without HITTING, and it just so happened that they did just that.

Ohhh aight I see what you mean. I agree with you.

I don't agree with his line of thinking either, but I don't think that's the road he was trying to go down. People don't need proof to not be shocked about players who may or may not use. I don't tag every single player as dirty, but I'm never, ever shocked when I hear someone named. It's not the individual players who have caused us to think like this. It's the game and it starts at the top with Bud Selig because baseball could have gone about this 119238158240 times better.

I was going to say Everton too. I am also a Liverpool fan. I try to get my fix as much as possible being on the other side of the pond and all...

I love the Reds.

You hit the nail on the head. Great post.

I also hit yes by mistake...

Shut up.

People like Paul Byrd cannot be starting meaningful games down the stretch. *shivers because 2006 crawls back into my mind*

Tito is notorious for NOT pulling the starter when he should. You will never, ever, be able to simply expect 7+ innings out of any pitcher consistently. Ever.

And Clay Buchholz pitched a no-hitter in his 2nd start. Keep things in perspective.

IN

Reminds me of that scene in Me, Myself, and Irene when he tries to put the cow out of its misery in so many damn ways because it just doesn't die.

lol, you've been doing a good job. I understand the frustration sometimes.

Come on Dipre, that was a little unnecessary. EDIT: My bad, the page hadn't updated for awhile and one of the last posts was the one I responded to.

He's the worst defensive third baseman in the league this year.

lol, look again at your lineup and see why he said that.

Yankees up 7-4 in the bottom of the 8th with 2 down. Mo is coming in. ChiSox have runners on 1st and 2nd and Quentin is up. /Don

I have got to think that Victor's first night catching for the Red Sox has got to have something to do with this. Right? .... right? :dunno: