Aug 1: BOS (Pivetta) @ TBR (McClanahan)

[moonslav59]

Just looking at clutch moments some are better than others. Look at M. That’s the point. No rocket science.

 

If you looked at randomly distributed clutch hits, a few guys would look really good, more often, and you'd say "Some are better than others. That's the point. No rocket science."

[moonslav59]

My first loss in an opening game thread!

 

Bummer.

 

[iortiz]

If you looked at randomly distributed clutch hits, a few guys would look really good, more often, and you'd say "Some are better than others. That's the point. No rocket science."

 

Like any other stat, few guys are good at clutch. Clutch works the same way.

[Swiharts Ghost]

My first loss in an opening game thread!

 

Bummer.

 

 

Moon that game was not on you ..JDM Yes you ???? Hellll no please start thread tuesday

[moonslav59]

Moon that game was not on you ..JDM Yes you ???? Hellll no please start thread tuesday

 

Rules prohibit.

[moonslav59]

Like any other stat, few guys are good at clutch. Clutch works the same way.

 

The point is, it can't be proven.

 

A random sample would create a very similar range of outcomes.

[iortiz]

The point is, it can't be proven.

 

A random sample would create a very similar range of outcomes.

 

It can. Make a chart. You keep saying it is random. It is not. Make a career chart. Career stats are not random.

[moonslav59]

It can. Make a chart. You keep saying it is random. It is not. Make a career chart. Career stats are not random.

 

Make a career chart of actual MLB players in the clutch and then make a randomly created one.

 

They will look identical.

[iortiz]

Make a career chart of actual MLB players in the clutch and then make a randomly created one.

 

They will look identical.

 

Some short samples could look similar. Some not. It depends how you slice them.

[moonslav59]

Some short samples could look similar. Some not. It depends how you slice them.

 

Short, medium, large all almost exactly alike.

 

One says "player A"

 

The other says "Montgomery"

[iortiz]

Short, medium, large all almost exactly alike.

 

One says "player A"

 

The other says "Montgomery"

Nope. It works like any stat.

[moonslav59]

Nope. It works like any stat.

 

There have been studies to show the random chart looks just like the real one.

 

Hitting well is a skill. It is repeatable- the charts show it.

 

Timely hitting is not. The charts show it.

[iortiz]

There have been studies to show the random chart looks just like the real one.

 

Hitting well is a skill. It is repeatable- the charts show it.

 

Timely hitting is not. The charts show it.

 

Again, look at Montgomery.

[moonslav59]

Again, look at Montgomery.

 

Look at player A on the random chart. They are identical.

[iortiz]

Look at player A on the random chart. They are identical.

 

I don’t need a random chart. If you make a career chart you will figure that some players are better than others in clutch situations. That’s the point.

[moonslav59]

I don’t need a random chart. If you make a career chart you will figure that some players are better than others in clutch situations. That’s the point.

 

No one is denying some have way better numbers- it's why the do that is the debate. That's the point.

[moonslav59]

I don’t need a random chart. If you make a career chart you will figure that some players are better than others in clutch situations. That’s the point.

 

If you make a chart, you'll find many players do way better on Tuesdays. Is that a repeatable skill?

 

The charts show Montgomery is the best on Tuesdays. Make a chart. It proves it, right?

[iortiz]

No one is denying some have way better numbers- it's why the do that is the debate. That's the point.

 

Then clutch exits and is repeatable through time. If it weren’t respetable career numbers would say you are not simply good at clutching.

[iortiz]

If you make a chart, you'll find many players do way better on Tuesdays. Is that a repeatable skill?

 

The charts show Montgomery is the best on Tuesdays. Make a chart. It proves it, right?

 

That’s not the point.

[dgalehouse]

We can never resolve the clutch argument. We can't even really define what is " clutch" . Players who play for years face so many so-called " clutch" situations that they become somewhat routine and are not really clutch at all. It's just a futile argument.

[iortiz]

We can never resolve the clutch argument. We can't even really define what is " clutch" . Players who play for years face so many so-called " clutch" situations that they become somewhat routine and are not really clutch at all. It's just a futile argument.

I was off for a year or more. I never debated that here. Didn’t know this was debated before or at least didn’t notice lol

[moonslav59]

That’s not the point.

 

It's a relevant point, and shows why it can never be proven.

 

That's the point.

[iortiz]

It's a relevant point, and shows why it can never be proven.

 

That's the point.

 

You love charts. Make one. It can be proven lol