9/19 vs Orioles (Game 2)

[Spudboy]

I enjoy watching Sholwalter scowl. Does that make me a bad person?

 

Aloha! My Sister lives in Manoah.

[iortiz]

Theo on Lackey's outing tonight' date=' "I thought he had pretty good stuff tonight"[/b']

 

I dont f***ing get it and I am sick of Tito defending Lackey and his other under-performing players.

 

Pretty good stuff? 8 f***ing earned runs Tito, were you watching the same game?

 

4.1 IP 11 Hits 8 ERs and could be worse Whata f*** are you talking about Terry Francona?

 

That comment could explain a lot of things about his pathetic mentality.

 

This type of ratiocination and "way to see the game" is killing this team.

[a700hitter]

4.1 IP 11 Hits 8 ERs and could be worse Whata f*** are you talking about Terry Francona?

 

That comment could explain a lot of things about his pathetic mentality.

 

This type of ratiocination and "way to see the game" is killing this team.

Unless this team quickly pulls itself out of this nosedive, Tito will be making more and more of these stupid post-game remarks. He also said the other day that this will make them stronger. I told you this would happen. I am waiting for him to say that this will make the champagne taste even sweeter. I believe that was Willie Randolph's final stupid statement before the 2007 Mets season was flushed down the toilet.

 

This team desperately needs to take the remaining games against Baltimore at home. If they don't keep control of their own destiny, they will be finished. Today on WFAN, the morning hosts noted that it is just a matter of time for the Yanks to clinch, and all that remains for them is how they want to finish the season and what kind of impact they want to have on the wild card race. They are openly acknowledging that the Yanks may not fight the Rays too hard. I am still hopeful, but very worried. If they lose control of their destiny as this homestand concludes, the cockeyed optimists had better prepare for an ass-reaming, because it will end ugly.

[SoxFanForsyth]

guys' date=' Buchholz isnt starting this yr as far as I know. His arm isnt built up[/quote']

 

Well - He won't be a 7 IP starter, you're right.

 

But why not do this - Start Buch, and throw him on a 60-70 pitch count. Piggy back Aceves on a 50 pitch count. That gets you through 6-7 IP. Or start Aceves, and piggy back Buchholz. Either or, doesn't matter to me.

 

If that gets you through 6, play the matchup game in the 7th, and then go Bard - Pap.

 

If that gets you through 7, just go Bard - Pap.

 

Regardless, Buchholz - Aceves combo is so much better than anything Lackey can give you. I don't even think it's a decision, it's the obvious choice IMO.

 

This, obviously, is only going to be relevant to a 7 game series, and in a short series, both Aceves and Buch would be great out of the bullpen.

[SoxFanForsyth]

4.1 IP 11 Hits 8 ERs and could be worse Whata f*** are you talking about Terry Francona?

 

That comment could explain a lot of things about his pathetic mentality.

 

This type of ratiocination and "way to see the game" is killing this team.

 

Theo = Theo Epstein

 

Terry Francona = Tito.

[a700hitter]

Well - He won't be a 7 IP starter, you're right.

 

But why not do this - Start Buch, and throw him on a 60-70 pitch count. Piggy back Aceves on a 50 pitch count. That gets you through 6-7 IP. Or start Aceves, and piggy back Buchholz. Either or, doesn't matter to me.

 

If that gets you through 6, play the matchup game in the 7th, and then go Bard - Pap.

 

If that gets you through 7, just go Bard - Pap.

 

Regardless, Buchholz - Aceves combo is so much better than anything Lackey can give you. I don't even think it's a decision, it's the obvious choice IMO.

 

This, obviously, is only going to be relevant to a 7 game series, and in a short series, both Aceves and Buch would be great out of the bullpen.

I can't see that happening, because it would require Tito to think and not just push a button. It's a good idea. If it gets traction in the press, he might be pressured by Theo to do it.

[SoxFanForsyth]

I can't see that happening' date=' because it would require Tito to think and not just push a button. It's a good idea. If it gets traction in the press, he might be pressured by Theo to do it.[/quote']

 

Well, what it boils down to is this - would you rather have Wheeler as your 7th inning guy for games 2 and 3, or Buchholz/Aceves as your #4 starter?

 

I think the choice is obvious, and I actually wouldn't be surprised to see Francona do that. I would be more surprised to see Lackey on the PS Roster to be honest.

[a700hitter]

Well, what it boils down to is this - would you rather have Wheeler as your 7th inning guy for games 2 and 3, or Buchholz/Aceves as your #4 starter?

 

I think the choice is obvious, and I actually wouldn't be surprised to see Francona do that. I would be more surprised to see Lackey on the PS Roster to be honest.

I could see him piggy-backing Aceves and Buchholz in a game with Buchholz coming out of the pen. I think Aceves would be the starter, not Buchholz.

 

As for Lackey not making the post season roster, I don't think there is a chance of that unless he gets injured. I'd be willing to wager on that one. If they leave anyone of the post season roster, it should be Wakefield. He's completely useless at this point.

[Palodios]

I don't think it matters who starts, as long as those guys get priority over Miller/Wakefield/Lackey/Weiland. Despite what the naysayers have been claiming, Lester/Beckett/Bedard/Piggyback would be a pretty solid playoff rotation. If Buchholz gets stronger and can throw more pitches, Lester/Beckett/Piggyback/Bedard may be able to do some damage against Philly.

[a700hitter]

I don't think it matters who starts' date=' as long as those guys get priority over Miller/Wakefield/Lackey/Weiland. Despite what the naysayers have been claiming, Lester/Beckett/Bedard/Piggyback would be a pretty solid playoff rotation. If Buchholz gets stronger and can throw more pitches, Lester/Beckett/Piggyback/Bedard may be able to do some damage against Philly.[/quote']If the Sox get to the Post Season, they might still have enough pitching to get by if Buchholz can give some innings and Bedard can take his turn. If they get to the WS, the loss of Ortiz will be exacerbated by the fact that we are essentially without Youk too. He's just a shell of himself right now. Pedroia would have to be as hot as a firecracker to pull the offense through the away games.

[Palodios]

If the Sox get to the Post Season' date=' they might still have enough pitching to get by if Buchholz can give some innings and Bedard can take his turn. If they get to the WS, the loss of Ortiz will be exacerbated by the fact that we are essentially without Youk too. He's just a shell of himself right now. Pedroia would have to be as hot as a firecracker to pull the offense through the away games.[/quote']

 

Yeah, I don't think they have much of a chance, but I think their pitching is so top-heavy that I do believe they can get there. Fortunately, there is so much time off during a playoff run that guys like Bard, Albers, and Youk can get some time off.

[SoxFanForsyth]

If the Sox get to the Post Season' date=' they might still have enough pitching to get by if Buchholz can give some innings and Bedard can take his turn. If they get to the WS, the loss of Ortiz will be exacerbated by the fact that we are essentially without Youk too. He's just a shell of himself right now. Pedroia would have to be as hot as a firecracker to pull the offense through the away games.[/quote']

 

If we make it to the WS, we need guys like Carl Crawford to step up and play to their level. Who knows, Crawford could be the MVP of the post season for us.

 

I'd like to see him step up and carry this team TO the post season, but he's got "neck spasms", which, Jacko if you can confirm this, tend to stem from the vagina? Is that right?

[a700hitter]

If we make it to the WS, we need guys like Carl Crawford to step up and play to their level. Who knows, Crawford could be the MVP of the post season for us.

 

I'd like to see him step up and carry this team TO the post season, but he's got "neck spasms", which, Jacko if you can confirm this, tend to stem from the vagina? Is that right?

It might be a case of whiplash from all the HR's and wall balls given up by our pitching staff.

[jacksonianmarch]

Buch will be on a 30 pitch count when he comes back and wont have time to build up from there. You typically go up by 10-15. If he starts at 30 lets say by the final week of the season, he'll be at 45 for the first round and maybe 60 by the second round. Like Schilling said, he will definitely not be starting and will definitely be healthy by spring training

[Palodios]

Buch will be on a 30 pitch count when he comes back and wont have time to build up from there. You typically go up by 10-15. If he starts at 30 lets say by the final week of the season' date=' he'll be at 45 for the first round and maybe 60 by the second round. Like Schilling said, he will definitely not be starting and will definitely be healthy by spring training[/quote']

 

45 from Buchholz is better than 120 from Lackey. We'll take it.

[iortiz]

I like the Aceves-Buch starting-combo. But I don't see Francona getting rid of Lackey, after all (6.49 ERA) "he has good stuff".

[Palodios]

There is simply no way Francona can start Lackey in the playoffs. He knows it as well as everyone else.

[iortiz]

Theo = Theo Epstein

 

Terry Francona = Tito.

 

I think that SCM was referring to Tito, even he wrote Theo. <_>

 

If it is the opposite I would be shocked. I don't like recent Theo's management but I want to believe that he is not that stupid in order to think that, this is Tito's mentality