Let the Jose Reyes Sweepstakes Begin

[SoxFanForsyth]

HanRam is signed for 3 more years after this one, but those 3 years average $15.5 mil per year. I don't think the Marlins are looking to dump payroll though, since MLB has been pushing them to up their payroll.

My biggest concern about him is his defense. I think that he's a more talented player than Reyes in every way (and he probably stands to benefit from playing at Fenway more than Reyes does), except his defense is pretty awful.

 

Yeah his defense has not been very good, but his offense more than makes up for it. He's still averaged a 6.5 WAR over the past 3 years.

 

Not to mention HanRam hits .354 with a .920 OPS vs LHP. You stick him in our line up and all of a sudden this team handles lefties really well.

[SoxFanForsyth]

Maybe we could offer them Andrew Miller as part of the deal. I wonder how much the Marlins FO would appreciate the irony.

 

I actually thought about this as well, and laughed. It would be hilarious.

[TedWilliams101]

Just imagine this lineup:

Ellsbury

Pedroia

Hanley Ramirez

A-God

Youk

Ortiz

Crawford

Reddick (screw Drew)

Salty/Tek

 

HOLY s***. Pitchers would have nightmares about facing us.

[RedSoxfanforlife305]

They already do have nightmares pitching against us.

[SoxFanForsyth]

Just imagine this lineup:

Ellsbury

Pedroia

Hanley Ramirez

A-God

Youk

Ortiz

Crawford

Reddick (screw Drew)

Salty/Tek

 

HOLY s***. Pitchers would have nightmares about facing us.

 

This is the best part of the line up.

[TedWilliams101]

They already do have nightmares pitching against us.

 

True, but imagine a pitcher about to face the Sox and then they go get HanRam. "Are you f***ing kidding me. Really? I'm suddenly feeling sick... yeah, I think I picked up the flu... Can I skip a start?..." Seems like an appropriate response.

[RedSoxfanforlife305]

Lol.

[Dojji]

Hanley Ramirez is the ultimate windmill to tilt at. We've been doing this crap since 06 and I for one am freaking tired of it.

 

They are NOT trading the guy. I think we've established that by now, given the number of opportunities they've had to deal him. They have no need to, one, and two, they're under extra scrutiny every time they do a deal that sheds salary, which would practically force Theo to overpay.

 

It's simply not happening.

 

Reyes is only an option because of special circumstances -- IE the broke owner. Loria isn't broke, just cheap. And he knows that if he deals Hanley, what fragile tiny little threads of attendance he's getting in the first place are just gone. He's not going to do that. So focus on the guy who IS POSSIBLE, not the one that isn't.

[TedWilliams101]

Hanley Ramirez is the ultimate windmill to tilt at. We've been doing this crap since 06 and I for one am freaking tired of it.

 

They are NOT trading the guy. I think we've established that by now, given the number of opportunities they've had to deal him. They have no need to, one, and two, they're under extra scrutiny every time they do a deal that sheds salary, which would practically force Theo to overpay.

 

It's simply not happening.

 

Reyes is only an option because of special circumstances -- IE the broke owner. Loria isn't broke, just cheap. And he knows that if he deals Hanley, what fragile tiny little threads of attendance he's getting in the first place are just gone. He's not going to do that. So focus on the guy who IS POSSIBLE, not the one that isn't.

 

Everyone is available for the right price.

[SoxFanForsyth]

Dojji. If you don't want to hear about it, then don't read it. This isn't exclusively your thread, and if other people want to talk about it, we'll talk about it. Kruk mentioned that he may be on his way out today. Just because you don't want to hear about it doesn't mean that nobody can talk about it.

[Palodios]

Can we re-title this thread "Fantasy Baseball lineup thread" ?

 

Better yet, "Let's trade this team's future for a Fantasy Baseball Lineup".

[Dojji]

Everyone is available for the right price.

 

Yeah, but Reyes is the only premiere shortstop available for a price Theo might actually remotely contemplate not immediately slamming down the phone and indulging in a 15 minute belly laugh when it's quoted to him.

[ORS]

Can we re-title this thread "Fantasy Baseball lineup thread" ?

 

Better yet, "Let's trade this team's future for a Fantasy Baseball Lineup".

[/thread]

[BornToRun]

We should trade Youk for Pujols while Albert is hurt and his value is lower, then put Papi at 3rd while he's hurt and have Cameron DH.

[a700hitter]

The Mets are starting to play like the Mets again. Last night, they allowed 7 runs in spacious CitiField to an anemic A's lineup that had Coco Crisp batting third. They had a nice walk up crowd to see Dillon Gee who was 7-0 going into the game, but he imploded and crashed back to earth.

 

In regard to Reyes, he will be owed something like $3 million at the trading deadline. Are there any limitations with regard to adding cash considerations to the deal? IMO, Met management would jump at dumping the. $3 million plus an additional $2-3 million. Alternatively, the Sox could agree to eat all of Beltran's salary if Reyes is part of the deal. Reddick and Navarro should be enough to close the deal. Neither one is in our future plans. Beltran has to be moved, because the Mets will not even get draft choices if he walks away in free agency.

[Will617]

http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/index.php/trading-hanley-ramirez/

Sounds like price tag will be 2 top-10-ish prospects from the system. I'd imagine for the Sox, it would involve either Lowrie or Iglesias and someone else.

[SoxFanForsyth]

So this isn't such a fantasy line-up thread after all?

 

I would 100% give up Iglesias + Lowrie + Pitcher (Doubront, Weiland, Britton, Danks) for him. Absolutely.

[Will617]

Only problem is, it also sounds like the price might be lower because he isn't envisioned as a SS for much longer. Basically, we would be trading for a 3B or corner OF.

[Palodios]

Hanley isn't worth half as much in the OF instead of SS. Is his arm good enough for RF?

[SoxFanForsyth]

Only problem is' date=' it also sounds like the price might be lower because he isn't envisioned as a SS for much longer. Basically, we would be trading for a 3B or corner OF.[/quote']

 

That's actually perfect. Go get HanRam. Sign Ortiz to a 2 year deal. When Ortiz leaves, move HanRam to 3rd, move Youk to DH, and if the trade didn't require Iglesias, that gives him 2 years to build a decent bat.

[SoxFanForsyth]

Hanley isn't worth half as much in the OF instead of SS. Is his arm good enough for RF?

 

HanRam would move to 3rd and would probably be an above average 3B. A lot of SS move to 3rd and play well because they're so used to covering a lot of ground at SS.

[Dojji]

Lavarnway and Iglesias for Reyes. Let's get it done. They get premium prospects at the two most key positions. That's gotta at least keep the Mets guys on the phone.

 

With Drew, Scutaro and Cameron coming off the books we should have no problem re-signing Reyes and handing player raises both.

[SoxFanForsyth]

Lavarnway and Iglesias for Reyes. Let's get it done. They get premium prospects at the two most key positions. That's gotta at least keep the Mets guys on the phone.

 

We don't have the $$$ (or desire to spend it, maybe) to sign Reyes to a long term contract. The guy wants Carl Crawford money, and he'll probably get it.

 

HanRam makes more sense.

[Will617]

Lavarnway and Iglesias for Reyes. Let's get it done. They get premium prospects at the two most key positions. That's gotta at least keep the Mets guys on the phone.

 

Personally, I think that Lavarnaway, Ranaudo, and Kalish are our most important prospects. I'm not sure if Iglesias can develop his bat all that well, but Lavarnaway has shown he can hit at every level, and I don't think Salty gets much better than he is now. Those three are the prospects that I'd want to part with least (unless Reddick turns into an All-Star, or Salty proves me wrong and hits 40 HRs or something).

I'm also not sure how highly other MLB offices value Lavarnaway, since he flew under the radar somewhat for the performances he had.

[a700hitter]

http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/index.php/trading-hanley-ramirez/

Sounds like price tag will be 2 top-10-ish prospects from the system. I'd imagine for the Sox, it would involve either Lowrie or Iglesias and someone else.

I've said it before. Never believe the press reports when it involves the Mets. They plant lies all the time.

[SoxFanForsyth]

Personally' date=' I think that Lavarnaway, Ranaudo, and Kalish are our most important prospects. I'm not sure if Iglesias can develop his bat all that well, but Lavarnaway has shown he can hit at every level, and I don't think Salty gets much better than he is now. Those three are the prospects that I'd want to part with least (unless Reddick turns into an All-Star, or Salty proves me wrong and hits 40 HRs or something).[/quote']

 

I wouldn't mind parting ways with Lavarnway if it brought HanRam here. I'd go Lavarnway - Iggy - Doubront/Britton.

 

The only 2 untouchables are Kalish and Ranaudo.

[Will617]

a700 - article's about HanRam.

I have really high hopes for Lavarnaway. Even if he turns into a below-average catcher, if he keeps hitting the way he is he could be a valuable piece going forward. And I think his trade value is lower than his actual talent.

[SoxFanForsyth]

True, Lavarnway could have a higher potential than trade value. Still, though. You're getting HanRam.

[Dojji]

We don't have the $$$ (or desire to spend it' date=' maybe) to sign Reyes to a long term contract. The guy wants Carl Crawford money, and he'll probably get it. [/quote']

 

 

 

Sure we do. JD Drew is coming off the roster, and will be replaced by a prospect. Cameron is coming off the roster, and will be replaced by a cheap roleplayer. Scutaro is coming off the roster, and will be replaced by Reyes. Between those 3, you've made the room.

HanRam makes more sense.

 

Because he makes a whopping $5M less? Because he's not going to want to get paid like a superstar? Could you try making a little sense here?

[SoxFanForsyth]

Sure we do. JD Drew is coming off the roster' date=' and will be replaced by a prospect. Cameron is coming off the roster, and will be replaced by a cheap roleplayer. Scutaro is coming off the roster, and will be replaced by Reyes. Between those 3, you've made the room.[/quote']

 

And Gonzo is going from $6mm to $22mm, Crawford from $15mm to $21mm. That's a 22mm boost right there.