Let the Jose Reyes Sweepstakes Begin

[Palodios]

Teams very rarely part with Blue Chippers for rent a players for 3 months.

 

The Rangers gave up Justin Smoak for Cliff Lee, and Lee pushed them over the edge to get to the World Series. The Rangers did this with the knowledge that they couldn't resign him. Reyes is looking at a similar WAR as Lee had last year. The Red Sox gave three of their top five prospects for a year of A-gon. The Brewers gave Matt Laporta for Sabathia... well, back when Laporta was a blue chip.

 

Reyes nets two 1st round picks in next year's draft too, so whoever gets him gets that value too.

[BSN07]

I think the Rangers always felt they had a decent shot to re-sign Lee.

 

On the Reyes subject, he feels like a bit of an overpay to me. The Sox have a strong offense right now(yes I know CC just hit the DL as well). I think the combo of Scutaro/Iggy/Navarro should be able to hold things down for now. But if for some reason they could get him at reasonable price(unlikely) then I'd be ok with it. Don't see them extending him, not with Iggy coming up. I wouldn't feel comfortable signing him to a Crawford like deal(which I'm guessing Reyes is going to get close to). But given their success in the draft, the compensation picks they could get for him would be valuable. So I wouldn't mind him being a rental.

 

Besides the Sox may have more pressing needs at the back end of the rotation and possibly the OF.

[jacksonianmarch]

I find it interesting that the guy on the board who downplays prospects (a700) is considering Iggy the sox future SS without a fight. The guy is hitting .230 with a .509OPS right now. His "good season" in AA last yr saw an OPS under .700. The guy has proven nothing offensively

[Emmz]

Get Beltran.

[a700hitter]

I find it interesting that the guy on the board who downplays prospects (a700) is considering Iggy the sox future SS without a fight. The guy is hitting .230 with a .509OPS right now. His "good season" in AA last yr saw an OPS under .700. The guy has proven nothing offensively

I've never posted anything about Iggy being the Sox future at SS. Until he proves that he can hit, he his a Rey Ordonez type player to me.

[jacksonianmarch]

Reyes is a SS who is leading the league in hitting, has improved his D dramatically, and is a gamechanger on the bases. The guy is gonna net a TON of value back to the Mets. You have to assume that the Mets want to get a better return then 2 picks in the top 50 in next yrs draft.

[a700hitter]

Reyes is a SS who is leading the league in hitting' date=' has improved his D dramatically, and is a gamechanger on the bases. The guy is gonna net a TON of value back to the Mets. You have to assume that the Mets want to get a better return then 2 picks in the top 50 in next yrs draft.[/quote']Read the thread. Met ownership is not worried about improving the team right now. They would sell anyone so long as it wouldn't negatively impact ticket sales. Reyes will not go for prospects. They'd rather keep him in the lineup rather than risk a drop in ticket sales.

[Will617]

Uh' date=' I suggested sending cash [i']to Cincinnati[/i] to cover part of Scutaro's salary. Also, the three Cincinnati prospects (plus two from Sox) would be going to the Mets in a three way trade. Reyes would be going to the Red Sox.

 

 

 

Actually, all the prospects going to the Mets would be potential major leaguers, but Hamilton would be the top prospect with Reyes type potential.

 

I know, I'm saying that when you look at it from Cincinnati's perspective, they lose 3 prospects and they gain Scutaro. Scutaro's salary isn't big at all, it's something that they could cover. I don't think that they would be willing to give up that much just for Scutaro.

[Dojji]

Don't see them extending him' date=' not with Iggy coming up.[/quote']

 

I HATE this line of reasoning. You don't extend a guy like Reyes because of a prospect? In this and no other universe does anyone who should be a general manager think like that. If you can get and keep Reyes, let someone else take the risk on Iglesias.

 

We've got Drew coming off the books and probably a prospect replacing him. We have some leeway to sign Reyes. Go ahead and bring him in if you can do it reasonably.

[a700hitter]

I HATE this line of reasoning. You don't extend a guy like Reyes because of a prospect? In this and no other universe does anyone who should be a general manager think like that. If you can get and keep Reyes, let someone else take the risk on Iglesias.

 

We've got Drew coming off the books and probably a prospect replacing him. We have some leeway to sign Reyes. Go ahead and bring him in if you can do it reasonably.

Excellent point.

[Dojji]

Between Drew's money ($14M less Reddick's/Kalish's rookie deal) and Scutaro's ($5M) we have MORE than enough coming off the books to retain Reyes if we get him, and if Daisuke is done, that should help going towards player raises as well.

[msubulldogs21]

The Jays are gonna try like anything to keep Bautista and I haven't heard where they were desparate for cash..

 

Toronto just signed Bautista to a 5/65 contract in the off-season so there's no trying to keep him. He's locked up for a while.

[msubulldogs21]

I HATE this line of reasoning. You don't extend a guy like Reyes because of a prospect? In this and no other universe does anyone who should be a general manager think like that. If you can get and keep Reyes' date=' let someone else take the risk on Iglesias.[/quote']

 

Isn't this the exact opposite of what you were saying in the '08 off-season? Don't sign Teixeira because we have the 20x all star Lars Anderson waiting in the wings at 1B?

[Dojji]

And look how that worked out.

 

I'm stubborn, but I'm not incapable of learning.

[Spitball]

I know' date=' I'm saying that when you look at it from Cincinnati's perspective, they lose 3 prospects and they gain Scutaro. Scutaro's salary isn't big at all, it's something that they could cover. I don't think that they would be willing to give up that much just for Scutaro.[/quote']

 

I believe the Reds have a tough time making the deal if money isn't included. He is owed the rest of this year's $5 million, and with a trade, could exercise additional option/buyout money next year.

 

The Reds are getting no offensive production from their shortstop (.227/.257/.272). They need an upgrade and a deal for Scutaro would pretty much follow Walt Jocketty's method of acquiring a veteran at the end of his contract while waiting for prospect Zach Cozart to develop. The Reds won their division last year but are struggling this year. Scutaro would be a major upgrade to their lineup. The Reds are ripe to make a move. The prospects are good but the Reds have a pretty deep system.

 

Btw, I don't see MLB/Selig letting the Mets do anything to simply make money.

[SoxSport]

watch the yankees try to get him.

[boston22407]

I dont think he will come to us ,i think maybe to SF

[Spitball]

watch the yankees try to get him.

 

Ha! I bet you are joking because I can't see the Yankees doing that to Jeter. He would be an upgrade but not for team chemistry.

[a700hitter]

Ha! I bet you are joking because I can't see the Yankees doing that to Jeter. He would be an upgrade but not for team chemistry.

Speaking of team chemistry, no one is talking about the fact that the Yankees are playing much better ball without Jeter.

[redsoxbeatz]

Speaking of team chemistry' date=' no one is talking about the fact that the Yankees are playing much better ball without Jeter.[/quote']

 

Who wants to talk about the Yankees? ha. I'm watching them on ESPN right now. C'mon Cubs!! (worst part of moving to CA is I will never get to watch the Sox again w/o some kind of sports-package or national broadcasted games)

[Spitball]

Speaking of team chemistry' date=' no one is talking about the fact that the Yankees are playing much better ball without Jeter.[/quote']

 

And I never like to see the Skankees play better, but there is a bit of satisfaction in this. I hate every aspect of that team...

[SoxSport]

Ha! I bet you are joking because I can't see the Yankees doing that to Jeter. He would be an upgrade but not for team chemistry.

 

A bit of a conflict, eh? That never bothers the Yankees. It's about winning, period.

[a700hitter]

A bit of a conflict' date=' eh? That never bothers the Yankees. It's about winning, period.[/quote']They signed Goose Gossage in the offseason after Sparky Lyle won the Cy Young award. Craig Nettles said that he went from Cy Young to Sayonara.

[SoxFanForsyth]

John Kruk was just on the Mut and Merloni show on WEEI, and he was talking about Hanley Ramirez, and how HanRam said "If Ed Rodriguiz is out, I'm out". Well, now Edwin is gone, and Kruk thinks the Marlins are going to dish HanRam. He said Hanley needs a change of scenery, that he's tired of playing for the Marlins.

 

If we could deal with ManRam, surely we can deal with HanRam. That's one trade where I would offer Iglesias + Ranaudo + Weiland, or something like that. 3 of our top prospects, absolutely.

[Will617]

John Kruk was just on the Mut and Merloni show on WEEI, and he was talking about Hanley Ramirez, and how HanRam said "If Ed Rodriguiz is out, I'm out". Well, now Edwin is gone, and Kruk thinks the Marlins are going to dish HanRam. He said Hanley needs a change of scenery, that he's tired of playing for the Marlins.

 

If we could deal with ManRam, surely we can deal with HanRam. That's one trade where I would offer Iglesias + Ranaudo + Weiland, or something like that. 3 of our top prospects, absolutely.

 

HanRam hitting the market would be pretty interesting. I'm still not sure if I like the idea of gutting our system now, but I think that this might be a better deal than one for Reyes (although not necessarily more likely, just a better target IMO).

If we do deal for HanRam or Reyes, I think Lowrie will move the other way, because he's 1. expendable, 2. super-cheap, and 3. a decent player. Which will certainly help lessen the impact on our farm, but I still think it will cost a lot. I'd imagine the asking price would be similar to what the D-backs wanted for Upton, and more than what the Padres got for A-Gon.

[Spitball]

Ah, geeze, I don't know about Ramirez. He isn't having a great year, but he will surely turn that around...right? I'd say he definitely would, but what if his speed has already started to disappear? He is 12-6 in stolen bases and that isn't very Ramirez-like.

 

Also, there is always the defense aspect of his game at shortstop. And the attitude. I think I like Reyes better.

[SoxFanForsyth]

It would absolutely cost a lot in prospects. Probably young pitching, too, which sucks. Iglesias would almost certainly be in the deal, which is fine if we're getting HanRam. Ranaudo is our best arm right now, and you know they would want that.

 

Iglesias + Ranaudo + Lowrie + Weiland, or something like that. Wow that's a major haul. Weiland is cruising in AAA, Ranaudo is promoted as if he's the next Curt Schilling. Who knows.

[SoxFanForsyth]

Ah, geeze, I don't know about Ramirez. He isn't having a great year, but he will surely turn that around...right? I'd say he definitely would, but what if his speed has already started to disappear? He is 12-6 in stolen bases and that isn't very Ramirez-like.

 

Also, there is always the defense aspect of his game at shortstop. And the attitude. I think I like Reyes better.

 

Reyes is older and has an injury history, plus he will be hitting FA after this year. HanRam has a couple years left on his deal. Would you hit HanRam 3rd, and bump everyone down?

[Will617]

HanRam is signed for 3 more years after this one, but those 3 years average $15.5 mil per year. I don't think the Marlins are looking to dump payroll though, since MLB has been pushing them to up their payroll.

My biggest concern about him is his defense. I think that he's a more talented player than Reyes in every way (and he probably stands to benefit from playing at Fenway more than Reyes does), except his defense is pretty awful.

[Will617]

It would absolutely cost a lot in prospects. Probably young pitching, too, which sucks. Iglesias would almost certainly be in the deal, which is fine if we're getting HanRam. Ranaudo is our best arm right now, and you know they would want that.

 

Iglesias + Ranaudo + Lowrie + Weiland, or something like that. Wow that's a major haul. Weiland is cruising in AAA, Ranaudo is promoted as if he's the next Curt Schilling. Who knows.

 

Maybe we could offer them Andrew Miller as part of the deal. I wonder how much the Marlins FO would appreciate the irony.