What is your favorite Red Sox moment of all time?

[a700hitter]

Sample size? No matter how important the series is' date=' baseball is a game of inches, and anything can happen in two or three games no matter who's pitching.[/quote']Except for a few Yankees, anyone who is fortunate enough to play in a World Series has small sample sizes. Some players get it done on that limited stage, but most don't. Schilling got it done in the World Series. Lee hasn't. Does it mean that Schilling is a better pitcher? No, but when comparing the two as post season performers, Lee falls short of big Schill, but so does everyone else.

[Youk Of The Nation]

My favorite Red Sox moment is when the Red Sox won the 2011 World Series. Kevin Youkilis' walk-off home run in Game 6 and Lester's 8 shutout innings in Game 7 to beat Philadelphia were spectacular. Not to mention the bench-clearing brawl in game 4 when Dustin Pedroia tore off Chase Utley's left arm and beat Cliff Lee to death with it.

[boston22407]

My favorite Red Sox moment is when the Red Sox won the 2011 World Series. Kevin Youkilis' walk-off home run in Game 6 and Lester's 8 shutout innings in Game 7 to beat Philadelphia were spectacular. Not to mention the bench-clearing brawl in game 4 when Dustin Pedroia tore off Chase Utley's left arm and beat Cliff Lee to death with it.

 

haha your crazy bro,what about when ortiz curb stomps ryan howard

[BigPapiEnFuego]

It's a shame J.D Drew had to miss that world series because of that strained hamstring he got while removing that tampon.

[Youk Of The Nation]

And then there was that moment of silence before the first pitch of Game 1, to remember Jonathan Papelbon, tragically struck down in his youth when his violent eye-popping screams suddenly exploded several blood vessels in his brain.

[Dipre]

Except for a few Yankees' date=' anyone who is fortunate enough to play in a [b']World Series has small sample sizes.[/b] Some players get it done on that limited stage, but most don't. Schilling got it done in the World Series. Lee hasn't. Does it mean that Schilling is a better pitcher? No, but when comparing the two as post season performers, Lee falls short of big Schill, but so does everyone else.

 

That's why using the entire post-season body of work is better than using a couple WS innings no?

[a700hitter]

That's why using the entire post-season body of work is better than using a couple WS innings no?

No, the level of play is different.

[Dipre]

I see, i see. Because winning the rest of the postseason series is simply not as important as the actual WS, in which case, you wouldn't actually make it to the WS. It all makes sense now!

 

Eight words sum up my thoughts on this: Two Thousand And Four American League Championship Series.

 

Different level of play you say?

[ORS]

No' date=' the level of play is different.[/quote']

This is kind of hard to justify. It's playoff baseball. The four best teams from each league make it, and the wild-card teams move on about as often as the teams that were a couple of games better over the course of a 162-game season, meaning, the level of play, IMO, is equivalent throughout the postseason.

[Dipre]

This is kind of hard to justify. It's playoff baseball. The four best teams from each league make it' date=' and the wild-card teams move on about as often as the teams that were a couple of games better over the course of a 162-game season, meaning, the level of play, IMO, is equivalent throughout the postseason.[/quote']

 

This. Playoff baseball is playoff baseball. I've seen several Championship series that are much more competitive talent-wise than the WS itself. 2004 ALCS, 2007 ALCS, 2005 ALCS, among others.

[a700hitter]

This is kind of hard to justify. It's playoff baseball. The four best teams from each league make it' date=' and the wild-card teams move on about as often as the teams that were a couple of games better over the course of a 162-game season, meaning, the level of play, IMO, is equivalent throughout the postseason.[/quote']Should we count the regular season head to head matchups of division leaders too? The level of play in those series is generally very high. The World Series is it. That is what people remember throughout the ages. People don't remember ALDS series. Very few players have stepped up in the Fall Classic and dominated on center stage. Schilling did that. Lee hasn't yet.

[BigPapiEnFuego]

Should we count the regular season head to head matchups of division leaders too? The level of play in those series is generally very high. The World Series is it. That is what people remember throughout the ages. People don't remember ALDS series. Very few players have stepped up in the Fall Classic and dominated on center stage. Schilling did that. Lee hasn't yet.

 

I doubt anyone, red sox fan or not, cares more about those 4 world series games against the cardinals than they did about that ALCS. Same can probably said for 2005 and the NLCS.

 

Hell, I don't even remember the 2007 world series, only the ALCS, and for a time forgot we even played the Rockies. The freakin Rockies.

 

 

The world series may have been it 25 years ago and before, but the postseason has expanded and had way better series than the actual world series.

[Youk Of The Nation]

I think you're right about 2007, but 4 straight against the Yankees or not, I think EVERYONE cared most about winning that Series, especially considering what it took to get there. To finally eliminate the chants of '1918' meant a lot to Sox fans, and losing that World Series would have reduced the smoking of the Yankees to an occasional joke at the expense of Yankees fans instead of a constant reminder of almost literally the worst series loss in the history of human civilization.

[a700hitter]

I doubt anyone, red sox fan or not, cares more about those 4 world series games against the cardinals than they did about that ALCS. Same can probably said for 2005 and the NLCS.

 

Hell, I don't even remember the 2007 world series, only the ALCS, and for a time forgot we even played the Rockies. The freakin Rockies.

 

 

The world series may have been it 25 years ago and before, but the postseason has expanded and had way better series than the actual world series.

The rest of the world (other than Yankee and Red Sox) fanatics pay more attention to the World Series. Although we like to think so, all baseball experience is not centered around the Yankees and Red Sox.

[Dipre]

That doesn't mean the level of play in the other postseason series is lower, even if the final objective is to win the WS, and that's the point of the argument.

 

Postseason baseball is postseason baseball. Win or go home.

[BigPapiEnFuego]

I'm not talking about what the 2004 world series meant. I'm talking about the competition involved. It's remembered because we won, yes, but when it comes down to the actual games remembered that ALCS will be remembered for it's competition over the WS which was pretty much a boring 4 game sweep.

[Dipre]

I'm not talking about what the 2004 world series meant. I'm talking about the competition involved. It's remembered because we won' date=' yes, but when it comes down to the actual games remembered that ALCS will be remembered for it's competition over the WS which was pretty much a boring 4 game sweep.[/quote']

 

Dude, you are 100% spot on about everything not related to JD Drew. I salute you.

[a700hitter]

The World Series is the pinnacle. Lots of great players never get there at all. Very few get there and dominate. No one did so better than Schilling. The Playoffs are on TBS, and the World Series is on a major network for a reason. It is more important. Period.

[Dipre]

Let me get this straight: So because it is more "important", the competition level is inherently higher even if you are playing a clearly inferior team than in your past two postseason series.

 

*Head explodes.*

[Youk Of The Nation]

I'm not talking about what the 2004 world series meant. I'm talking about the competition involved. It's remembered because we won' date=' yes, but when it comes down to the actual games remembered that ALCS will be remembered for it's competition over the WS which was pretty much a boring 4 game sweep.[/quote']

 

Ahh. The way you phrased it, I inferred that you thought Red Sox fans specifically would remember it and cared about it more.

[a700hitter]

Let me get this straight: So because it is more "important", the competition level is inherently higher even if you are playing a clearly inferior team than in your past two postseason series.

 

*Head explodes.*

The competition level might be the highest on a Sunday in April, but it's not the World Series. As for the 2004 ALCS, if the players had a let down against the Cardinals and lost, we'd still be eating s*** from the Yankee fans and no one would care about that ALCS, just like the exciting comeback in the 1986 ALCS became largely irrelevant when they lost the World Series to the Mets.

 

The World Series is it. As spectacular as Halladay's No-no was in last year's playoffs, even if it had been a perfect game, it would not rise to the same level as Don Larsen's game, simply because of the difference in the stages.

[DirtDog]

There is a troll in this thread. Lurking.

[Scottish Red Sox Fan]

In theory most of us should say the final out of the WS in 2004 but life would be boring if we all said that so I won't.

 

My own personal favourite moment was Dave Roberts crossing home plate to tie the game in Game 4 of the 2004 ALCS. That was the moment the worm turned for the Red Sox. We were staring another humiliation at the hands of the Stinkees in the face until Roberts crossed home plate and gave us back our belief.

 

If I live to be 100 there will never be another series to top the 2004 ALCS. I recall sitting up till 5-6am desperately listening to crackly, breaking up coverage of games 4,5 and 6 on MW Armed Forces Radio and jumping around my living room like a loony each night as we pegged the Stinkees back.

 

Good times.

[Dipre]

No' date=' the level of play is different[/quote']

 

The competition level might be the highest on a Sunday in April' date=' but it's not the World Series. [/quote']

 

Post A has the only point i'm refuting, and you went off on a tangent and forgot about it apparently. The playoffs are the playoffs, and what should be taken into account when defining a postseason legacy is entire body of work and level of competition. I'm not interested in any other points. The fact is, playoffs are playoffs, and there's just no way to justify that the level of play is higher in the WS than in the rest of the playoffs. If you don't win the ALDS and ALCS, you go home.

 

As for the initial point, if Cliff Lee ends up with better overall post-season numbers than Schilling, but a 4.45 ERA in the World Series, i'll call him the better post-season pitcher.

[Spudboy]

My favorite Red Sox moment is when the Red Sox won the 2011 World Series. Kevin Youkilis' walk-off home run in Game 6 and Lester's 8 shutout innings in Game 7 to beat Philadelphia were spectacular. Not to mention the bench-clearing brawl in game 4 when Dustin Pedroia tore off Chase Utley's left arm and beat Cliff Lee to death with it.

 

:lol::lol:

[ORS]

Should we count the regular season head to head matchups of division leaders too? The level of play in those series is generally very high. The World Series is it. That is what people remember throughout the ages. People don't remember ALDS series. Very few players have stepped up in the Fall Classic and dominated on center stage. Schilling did that. Lee hasn't yet.

I don't disagree that the weight of the moment is greater, but that's a different level of importance, not level of play.

[Dipre]

I don't disagree that the weight of the moment is greater' date=' but that's a different level of importance, not level of play.[/quote']

 

I hate you. You say everything i want to say, but in one line instead of a long, drawn-out post!

[a700hitter]

I don't disagree that the weight of the moment is greater' date=' but that's a different level of importance, not level of play.[/quote']My language may not have been precise enough. The World Series is the biggest stage and they are most important games that are played each year. The level of play may not always be the highest,just like there are some sloppy Super Bowls. Just as the sloppiest Super Bowl is more significant than the most well executed playoff game, the same goes for the World Series. Few have dominated the biggest stage like Schilling. Lee has been a great post season pitcher, but he has not done it on the biggest stage, and he has been in two World Series. In that respect, Lee falls short of Schilling as a post season pitcher. Arguing about the level of play is missing the point.

[ORS]

My language may not have been precise enough. The World Series is the biggest stage and they are most important games that are played each year. The level of play may not always be the highest' date='just like there are some sloppy Super Bowls. Just as the sloppiest Super Bowl is more significant than the most well executed playoff game, the same goes for the World Series. Few have dominated the biggest stage like Schilling. Lee has been a great post season pitcher, but he has not done it on the biggest stage, and he has been in two World Series. In that respect, Lee falls short of Schilling as a post season pitcher. Arguing about the level of play is missing the point.[/quote']

No, I get the point. I too would give the nod to Schilling because of his performance in the WS (he's got 48 IP of sub-2.00 ERA ball in the Fall Classic), especially when you add the bonus he deserves for his heroics in '04 (from the concept that I don't think Lee could repeat what he did under the same conditions). However, I don't think one should diminish Lee's statistical record, which is excellent, because most of it happened in the LDS/LCS. Postseason baseball is a very high level of play whichever round of the playoffs it occurs in, and for the most part, Lee has been excellent. He's had one bad series in his career.

[ORS]

I hate you. You say everything i want to say' date=' but in one line instead of a long, drawn-out post! [/quote']

You do pretty well for a guy who's arguing in his second language. It's easier to be succinct in your native tongue.