who do you think is on pace for a HOF career?

[Station 13]

Schilling is strong candidate for HoF. 3 WS, 11-2 2.22ERA post season record. Over 3000K.

[example1]

I see nothing wrong with this discussion, since it discusses who is "on pace" rather than "a sure bet" for the Hall of Fame.

 

Pedroia seems like the most obvious candidate. Two major awards, multi-time all-star, one of the most respected players of his era, great on both sides of the ball, cornerstone of a (potentially) perrennial contending team in a very prominant market. He's got a certain Derek Jeter (intangable) or Yogi Berra (small, funny, outspoken) quality to him.

 

Crawford could be top 5 in SB and have 3000 plus hits when it is all over. His numbers compare to Roberto Clemente's. Or he could totally flame out.

 

Youkilis may have started too late but will have some peak seasons in the HOF caliber.

 

Lester has one of (if not the) best winning % of a player in a long, long time. He's got the frame and stuff to pitch well into his 30s and could have the resume of a HOF player when all is said and done.

 

 

That's probably it so far. Obviously it is too early to tell on Buchholz, Iglesias, etc., but I wouldn't be shocked if there were more HOF-caliber talent waiting to have an impact. Obviously a number of things have to go right for any of them to make it.

[snydersminipretzels]

Bryce Harper

[Dojji]

Schilling is strong candidate for HoF. 3 WS' date=' 11-2 2.22ERA post season record. Over 3000K.[/quote']

 

Schill is in, it's only a question of first-ballot or non. His career is borderline HoF even without the defining playoff moments in 2001, 2004, and to a lesser extent 2007. I love the fact that the last time he was on the mound professionally was in winning a World Series game after what was in a number of ways a disappointing season for him. There's definitely worse ways to end a career.

[ORS]

Schill is in' date=' it's only a question of first-ballot or non. His career is borderline HoF even without the defining playoff moments in 2001, 2004, and to a lesser extent 2007. I love the fact that the last time he was on the mound professionally was in winning a World Series game after what was in a number of ways a disappointing season for him. [b']There's definitely worse ways to end a career[/b].

You mean like, oh for instance, milking that victory for another big paycheck while you are hurt and never giving the team anything for that money? That's worse, right?

[BSN07]

Number wise I think Agon might have the best chance at making it in.

 

If Adrian Gonzalez averages 30HR per year for the next 10 years, he will be around 500 career HR. That would likely give him a good shot at getting in. Especially if he wins a couple Championships.

[Station 13]

These days 400HR seems to be the benchmark to get in. he's well on his way there.

[Palodios]

We've started to see a trend of power numbers on the decline, and large improvements in pitching. Power hitters from the post-steroid era could find themselves with an advantage from voters. What makes Pujols so much more amazing is that he's been unscathed by steroid allegations. If A-gon stays productive and stays out of the wrong headlines, he has good chances.

[Dojji]

You mean like' date=' oh for instance, milking that victory for another big paycheck while you are hurt and never giving the team anything for that money? That's worse, right?[/quote']

 

1: No one's even going to remember that at the induction ceremony

2: The team gave him that contract even though they knew his shoulder was held together with spit and bailing wire and that he'd needed cortizone shots to get through the prior year. They took a risk. It backfired when the shoulder turned out to be in worse shape than they thought, but it was an informed risk.

3: Schilling did everything humanly possible to get on the field and pitch, jumped through every hoop the team asked him to jump through to try to come back, it just wasn't happening for him. I have a hard time blaming him for how that went down under the circumstances.

[Divinity]

I'd say these guys are on pace for the HoF

 

Miguel Cabrera

Chase Utley

Mark Teixeira

Prince Fielder

Roy Halladay

Justin Morneau

Matt Holliday

David Wright

Tim Lincecum

Felix Hernandez

Ryan Braun

Johan Santana

Ryan Howard

Hanley Ramirez

Joe Mauer

Evan Longoria

[bsox0407]

I cant believe no one has said Ichiro. He is one of the fastest and has always been near the top in hits. If he plays for a few more years he will be a 3,000 hit man. He needs about 4 years of more playing time which would put him at 41. That is hitting 200 a season. He has yet to hit less than 200 in a season.

[BSN07]

Ichiro gets forgotten regularly because he plays in Seattle. If he had played for a relevant franchise he would probably be at the top of everyone list. But yes, he is a sure fire HOF IMO.

[italstallianion]

In addition, if Ichiro started his career in the US, or at least came over earlier, he'd be a lock for the HOF.

[bsox0407]

In addition' date=' if Ichiro started his career in the US, or at least came over earlier, he'd be a lock for the HOF.[/quote']

 

If that happens when he was 21. that is 6 more seasons. Imagine if he started in the MLB at 18. He would have definitely Threatened Rose.

[Divinity]

Yeah I considered Ichiro to be a lock so I didn't mention him, same with Pujols.

[BSN07]

Do his professional numbers from the Japanese leagues not count? Even if they don't, he is a shoe in once he gets to 3,000 hits. Which he has a decent shot at if he plays for another 4-5 years.

[italstallianion]

I doubt that they count for his "American" HOF status. I mean his lack of years will certainly count in his favour when looking at his raw numbers, but I doubt that his Japanese numbers will carry over. They might get considered, but it won't carry as much weight as his American numbers. I highly doubt that his averages (rather than counting numbers) from Japan get considered.

[bsox0407]

Do his professional numbers from the Japanese leagues not count? Even if they don't' date=' he is a shoe in once he gets to 3,000 hits. Which he has a decent shot at if he plays for another 4-5 years.[/quote']

 

I think he could retire now and make it easily. He is a great defensive player and offensive. Definite 5 star player.

 

He has been an all-star and Gold Glover(prolly one of the only true one) every year in the league. Also he won MVP and ROY in the same year.

[SCM33]

Ichiro would have smashed Rose's career hit total had he played all of his professional games in the US. Not only is he a HOF, but he is one of the all times best. Who knows what he could have done. Woulda been one of the greatest hitters of all time and hes also already one of the most gifted outfielders in the games history.

 

If you count his Japanese hit total, hed be at 3678 career hits right now. I know there is a factor of Japan vs. MLB talent, but remember, they also play a significantly smaller season. So if you take that amount of hits, and extend the number of games in a season to MLB standards and also extend the total AB's without giving him credit for another hit, his Japanese stats would drop sigificantly to MLB standards.

[BSN07]

I doubt that they count for his "American" HOF status. I mean his lack of years will certainly count in his favour when looking at his raw numbers' date=' but I doubt that his Japanese numbers will carry over. They might get considered, but it won't carry as much weight as his American numbers. I highly doubt that his averages (rather than counting numbers) from Japan get considered.[/quote']

 

Is it the American HOF or Pro Baseball HOF?

 

Honest question. I've never thought of it as the "American HOF", but I could be mistaken

[Dojji]

THe Japanese have their own I think.

[ORS]

1: No one's even going to remember that at the induction ceremony

2: The team gave him that contract even though they knew his shoulder was held together with spit and bailing wire and that he'd needed cortizone shots to get through the prior year. They took a risk. It backfired when the shoulder turned out to be in worse shape than they thought, but it was an informed risk.

3: Schilling did everything humanly possible to get on the field and pitch, jumped through every hoop the team asked him to jump through to try to come back, it just wasn't happening for him. I have a hard time blaming him for how that went down under the circumstances.

I'm aware of all these things. That said, he didn't go out on as rosy a note as you suggested. Schilling has always been a little annoying with his big mouth, and the way he went out was a little annoying too.

[Palodios]

Players with big mouths shoot themselves in the foot sometimes. I wouldn't be surprised if Schilling was one of them, and his foot is what will get him into the Hall.

[Six4Three]

Clemens, Bonds, Maddux, Glavine, Griffey, Pedro, Hoffman, Piazza, I-Rod, F.Thomas, Biggio, Randy Johnson all get in pretty easily. Probably Schilling too.

 

For active players Rivera, I-Rod, Pujols, Thome, Vlad, Jeter, Chipper, Vizquel, Ichiro, are all pretty much locks. Damon too if he can squeak out 300+ more hits. Possibly Posada but he'll need to end his career with more dignity than he's shown this season. A third ring could seal it for Varitek with all of his caught no-hitters.

 

Ichiro gets in first try if even if he never played in Japan, quits the MLB tomorrow, and gets arrested for stealing Ty Cobb's bat from actual Hall Of Fame.

 

 

Manny, Sheffield, Sosa, Ortiz, and McGuire will all remain out of the HOF.

 

 

Pedroia are Ellsbury are WAY too young to venture a guess. Youkilis has no shot whatsoever. A-Gon isn't even at the halfway point. Nomar seemed like a lock but as someone stated earlier, that's why it's the last five years that count the most. Also, there might not even be a DH in ten years which would end a few careers early.

[a700hitter]

Of Red Sox current players, barring a bad injury Carl Crawford will be a Hall of Famer without question. He has been consistently excellent from a very young age. At this age, he has 100 more hits than Derek Jeter. His hits and SB #'s at the end will be eye-popping.

 

Ortiz is going to be a close call. I don't think it should be close. He is a HOFer. He has been a star performer for almost 10 years, and most of those years he has been an unstoppable offensive force. The DH thing will hurt him. If he can get to 500 HRs (he'll get close) and be a key component of 1 or 2 more World Series, he'll make it.

 

AGon will have to put up a string of Ortiz-type (2003-2007) seasons to get consideration.

 

I doubt Pedroia has a chance, but he has always accomplished things that no one thought he could could do.

 

It's hard for relievers to make it, but considering that Papelbon has reached 200 saves faster than anyone, he's on the right track. He'll need to be very productive for 8 more years, and he'll have to be dominant for about half of that. A couple of more Championships with him playing a key role will be a big help.

 

As for past Sox stars, Pedro is a lock. Schilling should be a lock, but he will be borderline. Manny should have been a lock, but the PED busts will be a big issue. Damon's numbers may end up making a good case for him. If he gets 3,000 knocks and with his two World series championships and a boatload of SBs, he'll have an excellent chance.

[Six4Three]

I don't think Ortiz gets in with 500 DH'd homers and a PED concern. His first 6 seasons yielded just 58 home runs which will hurt him on a couple levels. Plus I think he'd have to play through the 2015 season to hit 500 homers anyway.

[Jasonbay44]

What do you guys think about Todd Helton? His career numbers are pretty impressive but I dont know about hall of famer.

[a700hitter]

I don't think Ortiz gets in with 500 DH'd homers and a PED concern. His first 6 seasons yielded just 58 home runs which will hurt him on a couple levels. Plus I think he'd have to play through the 2015 season to hit 500 homers anyway.

I think he'll play 4 more years. He may not be a full time player at the end.

[a700hitter]

What do you guys think about Todd Helton? His career numbers are pretty impressive but I dont know about hall of famer.

I think he is a lock for the Hall.

[italstallianion]

What do you guys think about Todd Helton? His career numbers are pretty impressive but I dont know about hall of famer.

 

 

I definitely think that Todd Helton is a HOF'er. Todd Helton and Chipper Jones are two of my favourite players, and they both are among the only active 3-4-5 players (career .300 average, career .400 obp, and career .500 slg) in addition to both of which having more walks than strikeouts. Considering their other numbers (proving that it's not a small sample size) would lead to being a lock for the HOF I think.