Anti Fantasy Semifinals: Y228 v TheKilo

[yankees228]

Just curious...who do you guys see as playing out of position aside from Long?

 

Wake is out of position. He's a 250 pound 3-4 outside linebacker playing DE in a 3-4. That is the worst possible switch for him. It might work if he was playing DE in a 4-3, but there's almost no chance he would be even a factor in a 3-4. That's two thirds of his offensive line, and it's going to really hurt him against off tackle runs, and in his pass rush. Those are the two main ones I mentioned.

 

And there's also Vilma, as ital mentioned, but that isn't nearly as big a deal as the DEs.

[YanksHater213]

I think Wake would be good in a 3-4 D because of his pass rushing abilities. I don't think Kilo is planning on using him as a run stopper, so realistically if all he's doing is rushing the passer he'll be able to create some serious mismatches, especially with the blitzing linebackers.

 

Jason Taylor in his prime was around 250-270 and one of the best pass rushers in the league. I don't see this as being an issue for Wake.

[yankees228]

I think Wake would be good in a 3-4 D because of his pass rushing abilities. I don't think Kilo is planning on using him as a run stopper, so realistically if all he's doing is rushing the passer he'll be able to create some serious mismatches, especially with the blitzing linebackers.

 

Jason Taylor in his prime was around 250-270 and one of the best pass rushers in the league. I don't see this as being an issue for Wake.

 

Jason Taylor played DE in a 4-3, this is entirely different. And regardless of what TK is planning on using Wake as, the primary job of a 3-4 DE is to play the run and occupy blockers to free up blitzing linebackers. The pass rushing abilities of a 4-3 DE or a 3-4 OLB do not translate when switched to a 3-4 DE.

[WhiskeyBreath]

Wow. 2 really good teams going at it here. Like pretty much everyone else I had them ranked as 2 of the better teams in the league.

 

Both teams have their strengths and weaknesses here but it's so close that I'm going to go with Kilo. I think both teams are equally matched in terms of talent, just not in the same areas and I like Kilo by a field goal because of Brady.

[yankees228]

Wow. 2 really good teams going at it here. Like pretty much everyone else I had them ranked as 2 of the better teams in the league.

 

Both teams have their strengths and weaknesses here but it's so close that I'm going to go with Kilo. I think both teams are equally matched in terms of talent, just not in the same areas and I like Kilo by a field goal because of Brady.

 

I don't mean to harp on this, but I really am just curious. What weakness does my team have that is tantamount to the weakness that is TK's front seven, due to the fact that more than half of his players are out of position (some of them more severely than others)?

[TheKilo]

This matchup is tied 2-2. Next vote from someone in this league decides it.

[yankees228]

Hopefully it comes from someone who isn't a Pats fan and understands the concept of a 3-4 defense.

[italstallianion]

Hopefully it comes from someone who isn't a Pats fan and understands the concept of a 3-4 defense.

 

 

Considering that only 3 to 4 people in the entire competition do, and they either are in this matchup or voted already, I wouldn't count on it.

[yankees228]

Considering that only 3 to 4 people in the entire competition do' date=' and they either are in this matchup or voted already, I wouldn't count on it.[/quote']

 

Haha yeah, I know. I don't mean to come across as bitter about how the voting has gone, but I think some frustration is understandable. The two people that voted for TK were unable to defend his defensive inadequacies, and with a bunch of Patriots' fans, he has a huge advantage with Brady as his QB because that will typically be the tiebreaker if the teams are close.

[yankees228]

All I'll say is that I would hope before voting, the next person reads through the thread, to see everything TK and I have to say on the matchup.

[italstallianion]

Haha yeah' date=' I know. I don't mean to come across as bitter about how the voting has gone, but I think some frustration is understandable. The two people that voted for TK were unable to defend his defensive inadequacies, and with a bunch of Patriots' fans, he has a huge advantage with Brady as his QB because that will typically be the tiebreaker if the teams are close.[/quote']

 

 

 

I disagree with my nay-sayers as well, but I'm not that frustrated because I put WhiskeyBreath's team #1 in the power rankings, so I'm ok with losing to his team. If I somehow lost to Coco's team in the previous round I would have retired from the redrafts all together. There would have been nothing to defend that outcome.

[yankees228]

I disagree with my nay-sayers as well' date=' but I'm not that frustrated because I put WhiskeyBreath's team #1 in the power rankings, so I'm ok with losing to his team. If I somehow lost to Coco's team in the previous round I would have retired from the redrafts all together. There would have been nothing to defend that outcome.[/quote']

 

Right I understand. I just can't possibly see the justification for voting for TK's team against mine, when his secondary is average and his front seven is an absolute mess. His offense is probably a bit better than mine, but there's just such a huge disparity in the defenses.

[TheKilo]

I disagree with my nay-sayers as well' date=' but I'm not that frustrated because I put WhiskeyBreath's team #1 in the power rankings, so I'm ok with losing to his team. If I somehow lost to Coco's team in the previous round I would have retired from the redrafts all together. There would have been nothing to defend that outcome.[/quote']

 

As someone who voted against your team in that matchup, this strikes me as petty and unnecessary. Same with Y228's comments above regarding my defensive front.

[TheKilo]

Right I understand. I just can't possibly see the justification for voting for TK's team against mine' date=' when his secondary is average and his front seven is an absolute mess. His offense is probably a bit better than mine, but there's just such a huge disparity in the defenses.[/quote']

 

See my post above. Pretty unecessary here. Are you saying YH and WB don't know or understand football? I think I laid out a perfectly reasonable gameplan form eating your team, do I not understand football( when there's "no justification" for voting for my team, that's what you're expressing.

[yankees228]

As someone who voted against your team in that matchup' date=' this strikes me as petty and unnecessary. Same with Y228's comments above regarding my defensive front.[/quote']

 

I've yet to see a reasonable explanation for why your defensive front would succeed, from either you, or the two people that voted for you. The fact is, four of the seven players on your defensive front are out of position. It's possible that it would work, but we have to go with highest probability here, and the odds are that it wouldn't.

[yankees228]

See my post above. Pretty unecessary here. Are you saying YH and WB don't know or understand football? I think I laid out a perfectly reasonable gameplan form eating your team' date=' do I not understand football( when there's "no justification" for voting for my team, that's what you're expressing.[/quote']

 

The problem is, YH and WB were unable to defend their selections. I like your team a lot, but you very clearly overlooked how certain players perform based on their scheme they're in, and that has largely been ignored in the voting. When looking at both of our teams, it's the one glaring weakness.

[TheKilo]

I've yet to see a reasonable explanation for why your defensive front would succeed' date=' from either you, or the two people that voted for you. The fact is, four of the seven players on your defensive front are out of position. It's possible that it would work, but we have to go with highest probability here, and the odds are that it wouldn't.[/quote']

 

 

 

The difference you see in the two defenses is equivalent to what I see between our two offenses. Clearly, no one here knows football because there's simply no justification for my team to be ranked ahead of yours.

 

FTR, I had your team #1 in the whole thing and I thought if I didn't win this thing, you would. The fact you have to resort to such petty tactics over this exercise is kind of surprising and unnecessary.

 

So, in short, I hope the next vote is for you so I can be spared how people don't know football, according to you and ital.

[italstallianion]

As someone who voted against your team in that matchup' date=' this strikes me as petty and unnecessary. Same with Y228's comments above regarding my defensive front.[/quote']

 

 

Look, I have no problem with you voting against my team vs. WhiskeyBreath. He has a very good team and I'm ok with losing to him. But there was no chance in hell that I should have even come close to losing to Coco's team. His defense was as poorly formed as yours. The fact that anybody even thought of voting for Coco's team in that matchup was retarded and showed 1 of 2 things.

 

A. You and YH really don't know as much about football as you act like you do and you shouldn't be as cocky. Especially since you couldn't form a 3-4 defense. (Though YH could)

 

Or

 

B. You both are smarter than I thought and voted against my team to get it out early to make it easier for your teams to win.

 

 

I honestly don't feel bad for anything I've said regarding my matchup vs. Coco's team. I will however, defend you and YH's right to vote for WhiskeyBreath's team in that matchup. While I like my team better and think that my team would win, I can at least understand voting for WB's team. I however don't see any logic in picking Coco's team at all. At. All.

[yankees228]

The difference you see in the two defenses is equivalent to what I see between our two offenses. Clearly, no one here knows football because there's simply no justification for my team to be ranked ahead of yours.

 

FTR, I had your team #1 in the whole thing and I thought if I didn't win this thing, you would. The fact you have to resort to such petty tactics over this exercise is kind of surprising and unnecessary.

 

So, in short, I hope the next vote is for you so I can be spared how people don't know football, according to you and ital.

 

I apologize for saying that there is no justification for voting for your team. I admit that was a mistake on my part, and I didn't mean to insult anyone (even though others, including yourself in the basketball redraft, have said similar things).

 

But aside from that, I don't see how exposing the weaknesses in your defense can be construed as petty. We're supposed to lay out why our team would win this matchup, and that's a huge (probably the biggest) reason.

[italstallianion]

I wouldn't really say that Y228 is out of line. I'm definitely out of line, especially for being pissed at a situation that didn't happen, but Y228 is fine. He's defending his team in a matchup thread he's in.

[TheKilo]

And like this thread, I gave a perfectly good explanation as to why I'd vote for Coco's team. The fact that you suggested I voted for Coco to make this easier to win is unbelievable and leads me to believe you want to win this thing just a little too much.

 

I concede to Y228 because clearly, I know nothing about football and would hate for our resident experts to be pissed off, for me beating a team I WAS RANKED HIGHER THAN.

[yankees228]

And like this thread, I gave a perfectly good explanation as to why I'd vote for Coco's team. The fact that you suggested I voted for Coco to make this easier to win is unbelievable and leads me to believe you want to win this thing just a little too much.

 

I concede to Y228 because clearly, I know nothing about football and would hate for our resident experts to be pissed off, for me beating a team I WAS RANKED HIGHER THAN.

 

You're taking this too far. I apologized for saying that there is no justification for voting for your team. I admit, that was inappropriate.

[italstallianion]

I agree a bit because I think Kilo vs. Y228 is a close game. I mean they were also close in seeds, so I do think that there is justification for voting for Kilo's team here. Just like I think there is justification for voting for WhiskeyBreath's team vs. mine in the other matchup.

 

However, I do think that my team vs. Coco's team was a blowout considering it was the #1 vs. the #9 seed. I'd be willing to bet that you'd be livid if people voted against your team in the earlier rounds Kilo. You might not have shown it like I did, but you'd be pissed off and questioning the abilities of the voters. Heck, YH even threw a fit in the NBA voting when he got eliminated and he was the 7-8 seed.

 

And this isn't the first time something like that happened either. In the NBA redraft the #9 seed (who was also Coco) came within a vote of beating the #1 seed there too. Although that was WhiskeyBreath and not me.

[yankees228]

Right I agree. I shouldn't have said that. I absolutely did not mean for this to get out of hand in any way, and I went too far in trying to prove that my team is better than TK's.

 

But in no way am I trying to gain any kind of cheap victory, or anything like that. I was encouraging voting even when my team was ahead, and the window was almost closed.

[TheKilo]

I apologize for saying that there is no justification for voting for your team. I admit that was a mistake on my part, and I didn't mean to insult anyone (even though others, including yourself in the basketball redraft, have said similar things).

 

But aside from that, I don't see how exposing the weaknesses in your defense can be construed as petty. We're supposed to lay out why our team would win this matchup, and that's a huge (probably the biggest) reason.

 

Show me where I said there's no justification for voting against my team, and maybe you've got something there. Until then, there's really no comparison to what I may have said vs "I hope the next voter isn't a Pats fan and understands the 3-4 defense."

 

If you feel the need to say stuff like that, this is clearly important to you and more important than I view it. I think you have a really good team and I have no shame in losing to you. It's surprising you don't feel the same way, so I'll spare you the indignation of losing to someone who (a) doesn't understand football or ( has tried to rig this so he can win.

[yankees228]

Show me where I said there's no justification for voting against my team, and maybe you've got something there. Until then, there's really no comparison to what I may have said vs "I hope the next voter isn't a Pats fan and understands the 3-4 defense."

 

If you feel the need to say stuff like that, this is clearly important to you and more important than I view it. I think you have a really good team and I have no shame in losing to you. It's surprising you don't feel the same way, so I'll spare you the indignation of losing to someone who (a) doesn't understand football or ( has tried to rig this so he can win.

 

OK, well then I apologize for that quote as well. I don't understand what more you want me to say, as I've agreed with you and admitted I was out of line.

 

As for what you said in the basketball redraft, there isn't anything as straightforward as what I said (which again, I admitted I should not have said), but you also insulted the intelligence of the voters, which is the main reason why you're upset at me.

 

As for the last sentence, again, there's absolutely on need for that. On 'a', I admitted I was wrong. On 'b', I never accused you of that. You have a right to take umbrage with what I said, but at this point I'm admitting my mistakes and I see no reason to toe the same line.

[italstallianion]

I don't think that Y228 would take solace in a tainted victory. He just wants the people to vote, which besides from 4-5 people, the other 10 have taken the rest of the challenge off.

[yankees228]

I don't think that Y228 would take solace in a tainted victory. He just wants the people to vote' date=' which besides from 4-5 people, the other 10 have taken the rest of the challenge off.[/quote']

 

This too. All I was trying to do was ask for an explanation from the people who voted against me, and I was a bit frustrated when I didn't get one. I think I was well within my right to feel that way, and then I took it too far (which I admit once again). I don't want to win based on concession, as that's illegitimate, and there is absolutely no reason for TK to concede.

[YanksHater213]

Ok, this is stupid.

[TheKilo]

Where did I "insult voters intelligence", though? I'd like some examples.