Jason Werth or Carl Crawford

[Jacoby_Ellsbury]

It's common sense. You take him off Tampa put him on your squad thats a big swing of power. Meanwhile people want Jayson Werth who never played in the AL. Crawford has more atbats against the AL East then Werth thats for sure.

Can a mod please kill it with fire? You've done so 50 times already, one more can't hurt.

[GoBruins2011]

Oooooooh, the "watch the games argument" the final desperate resort of the fan that lacks analytical knowledge.

 

1)Who's to say he is a product of the NL? You haven't "watched him play", you're not a talent evaluator and don't know jack s*** about statistics.

 

2) How did you measure Scutaro's range? Did you watch any games? Because his range ain't the problem, but his arm.

 

3) How do you know the FO's thinking to assure they'll trade Ellsbury? Can you confirm this? I'd love to get ahold of your awesome source, unless of course you're pulling this out of your ass.

 

4) If you've ever played baseball (doubtful) or watched the games (which now seems doubtful as well) you'd know the RF-LF adjustment is possible to make, not to mention that it may actually be Drew who moves to LF in order to stay healthy.

 

In short, from reading your arguments, i have come to the very simple conclusion that you are not a troll, but a dumb-ass. You have an incurable disease called "stupid" that makes me want to go and load up on Nyquil just so i don't have to kill numerous brain cells and shorten my life span by reading the crap you post.

 

You'll see.

[alphilip77]

You'll see.

 

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_Y5PBmgcQuP4/TFEJnpmWBhI/AAAAAAAAAMU/lfBGvkks4OM/s1600/shocked.jpg

[RedSoxfanforlife305]

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_Y5PBmgcQuP4/TFEJnpmWBhI/AAAAAAAAAMU/lfBGvkks4OM/s1600/shocked.jpg

 

Roflllll

[Emmz]

This guy reminds me of TheMino for some reason.

[Alex Trebec]

Who would of thought that hack Sajak could get a 3 page thread going on talksox. He jumped the shark in 97.

[RedSoxfanforlife305]

Who would of thought that hack Sajak could get a 3 page thread going on talksox. He jumped the shark in 97.

 

What is a troll for 800 please.

[SoxSport]

Aren't they moving the fences in in RF--with bigger bullpens? That would make a lhd lineup more palatable. And force the Yankees to offer $200 mil for 7 years to Lee. Which the Rangers might match.Not to digress. But the shorter RF porch in Fenway makes Crawford the better choice. Besides, the Sox don't like to give Boras contracts to 32yo players.Look at Vmart. Crawford is the right age.

 

Can you imagine an OF of Crawford, Ellsbury and Kalish? My oh my. The three deers.

[italstallianion]

Not to mention that we could turn the tables on the Yankees, just like how they all ran on Vmart, we could run train on them if we had Crawford and if Ellsbury stayed healthy.

[Dojji]

If we were to land Crawford and find a way to score Russel Martin we could have a lineup with Ellsbury, Crawford, Pedroia, Drew, Martin and Youkilis (yes, Youkilis) all with above average speed or better.

[example1]

Either one of these players would make me happy. They both offer different directions for this team.

 

The thing I like about Werth is that I think the Sox would still be interested in making a big "splash" move (probably trade) for someone more exciting (Upton, Gonzalez, Hanley, Fielder, Greinke, etc.,).

 

I think Crawford is a very good and exciting player, but I don't think he's the superstar that many here seem to think he is. He's comparable to Werth in terms of on-field production but will cost more and might take more effort to sign.

 

Give me Werth + (insert splash-move here) over Crawford + (insert non-splash move here).

[a700hitter]

If we were to land Crawford and find a way to score Russel Martin we could have a lineup with Ellsbury' date=' Crawford, Pedroia, Drew, Martin and Youkilis (yes, Youkilis) all with above average speed or better.[/quote']I like the speed in that lineup, but I don't think there are any major league GMs or scouts who would consider Youkilis to have above-average speed. Pedroia's speed is also about average. They are smart base runners, but they don't have a lot of speed.

[BSN07]

I like the speed in that lineup' date=' but I don't think there are any major league GMs or scouts who would consider Youkilis to have above-average speed. Pedroia's speed is also about average. They are smart base runners, but they don't have a lot of speed.[/quote']

 

For Youk's build he has some quickness. He's not a road runner, but he's far from a turtle

[a700hitter]

For Youk's build he has some quickness. He's not a road runner' date=' but he's far from a turtle [/quote']Average major league speed is not a turtle.

[Spudboy]

Average major league speed is not a turtle.

 

Was V-Mart a turtle?

[a700hitter]

Was V-Mart a turtle?

Below average speed.

[sheffieldcelt]

http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/boston_red_sox/

 

 

Red Sox Looking To Acquire Top Outfielder

By Ben Nicholson-Smith [December 1, 2010 at 8:28am CST]

The Red Sox have been relatively quiet this offseason, making a waiver claim and a couple minor trades, but generally staying out of the spotlight. They’ve been busy behind the scenes, according to Michael Silverman of the Boston Herald who reports the team is working hard to sign Carl Crawford or Jayson Werth.

 

Silverman suggests Crawford is asking for an eight-year deal and Werth is asking for a six-year deal. Since teams such as the Angels, Rangers and Tigers could use outfielders and have money, the asking price in terms of dollars and years figures to remain high for both players.

 

As Silverman points out, a new deal could surpass the J.D. Drew and John Lackey contracts to become the largest free agent deal under Boston's current ownership group

[Palodios]

For Youk's build he has some quickness. He's not a road runner' date=' but he's far from a turtle [/quote']

 

On a positional basis, I'd call Youk above average. Compare him to guys like Fielder and it makes a bit of sense. Normally counting stats don't tell a lot about a player, but off my memory he seems to score runs from 2B on singles and 1B on doubles often enough.

 

On another note, if Vmart is a turtle, does that make Lowell a sloth?

[a700hitter]

On a positional basis, I'd call Youk above average. Compare him to guys like Fielder and it makes a bit of sense. Normally counting stats don't tell a lot about a player, but off my memory he seems to score runs from 2B on singles and 1B on doubles often enough.

 

On another note, if Vmart is a turtle, does that make Lowell a sloth?

Youkilis may be faster than a lot of major league first basemen, but they have below average speed. Youk is a good base runner with average major league speed. No manager is going to play little ball with him on the bases. Hit and runs are out of the question with him on first base too. His speed is not a weapon that opponents take into consideration in strategy discussions. Crawford's and Ellsbury's speed is a weapon.

 

Yes, Lowell would fall into the sloth category-- comfortably ahead of Bengie Molina.

[Dojji]

I like the speed in that lineup' date=' but I don't think there are any major league GMs or scouts who would consider Youkilis to have above-average speed. Pedroia's speed is also about average. They are smart base runners, but they don't have a lot of speed.[/quote']

 

I mildly disagree. Youkilis has average speed yes, but it plays above average because of his baserunning and that's good enough to allow him to contribute an extra base from time to time.

[a700hitter]

I mildly disagree. Youkilis has average speed yes' date=' but it plays above average because of his baserunning and that's good enough to allow him to contribute an extra base from time to time.[/quote']I agree that he is a slightly above average base runner, but his speed is average. Pedroia is an above average base runner too, and his speed is maybe the slightest of ticks above average.

[BSN07]

http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/boston_red_sox/

 

 

Red Sox Looking To Acquire Top Outfielder

By Ben Nicholson-Smith [December 1, 2010 at 8:28am CST]

The Red Sox have been relatively quiet this offseason, making a waiver claim and a couple minor trades, but generally staying out of the spotlight. They’ve been busy behind the scenes, according to Michael Silverman of the Boston Herald who reports the team is working hard to sign Carl Crawford or Jayson Werth.

 

Silverman suggests Crawford is asking for an eight-year deal and Werth is asking for a six-year deal. Since teams such as the Angels, Rangers and Tigers could use outfielders and have money, the asking price in terms of dollars and years figures to remain high for both players.

 

As Silverman points out, a new deal could surpass the J.D. Drew and John Lackey contracts to become the largest free agent deal under Boston's current ownership group

 

Nice work Silverman, way to go out on a limb...

 

8 years for Crawford and 6 for Werth? Pass and Pass.

[Meh]

Rangers could use outfielders? I think Crawford signs first and Werth collects big due to that and signs a Holliday type deal, but thats just me.

[SoxSport]

If we were to land Crawford and find a way to score Russel Martin we could have a lineup with Ellsbury' date=' Crawford, Pedroia, Drew, Martin and Youkilis (yes, Youkilis) all with above average speed or better.[/quote']

 

 

Martin is really a questionmark due to his hip injury. Catching is a tough position for hips.

 

But you add Kouzmanoff at 3B , along with Crawford in the OF, and you've got something--without having to trade young talent for AGon or Upton. Don't like that.

 

I'll buy Salty behind the plate if he can stay healthy. And Tek to hit LHP. Salty can do it defensively. About the same as the Yankees' Montero when I saw them both play last summer. Montero might be a better hitter. They both are big guys. Staying healthy is the key for Salty.

[SoxSport]

Rangers could use outfielders? I think Crawford signs first and Werth collects big due to that and signs a Holliday type deal' date=' but thats just me.[/quote']

 

They can probably get Werth if they want to overpay him. He'll prefer Fenway or Philly as parks for RHd hitters. He'll hit a ton in Fenway. Can't see him in Detroit.

 

Crawford might go to LA. To get away from the AL East.

 

Crawford and Werth are going to get way more than they're worth. Typical for the top FAs.

Hello Lackey.

[Dipre]

Rangers could use outfielders? I think Crawford signs first and Werth collects big due to that and signs a Holliday type deal' date=' but thats just me as a Yankee fan always expecting the worst for Red Sox fans, even if there's no logical basis for the assumption.[/quote']

 

If you think Werth's hitting the 100 million mark, you need to lay off weed. Crawford will be lucky if he hits the 110 million mark, so how can Werth logically get 120 million dollars guaranteed?

 

Please join the rest of us in reality.

[Dipre]

Nice work Silverman, way to go out on a limb...

 

8 years for Crawford and 6 for Werth? Pass and Pass.

 

As usual, there's a difference between what a player wants and what he will get. Any smart negotiator will shoot for way more than he what he's looking for so he can finally settle in on what he's actually looking for or a bit better.

 

Unless it's the Red Sox, who have a built-in multiplier when it comes to FA prices according to most Yankee fans......

[BSN07]

As usual, there's a difference between what a player wants and what he will get. Any smart negotiator will shoot for way more than he what he's looking for so he can finally settle in on what he's actually looking for or a bit better.

 

Unless it's the Red Sox, who have a built-in multiplier when it comes to FA prices according to most Yankee fans......

 

I know that's their "shooting for the moon" demands. But it Probably means 6-7 years for Crawford(still too much) and probably 4-5 years for Werth. Not as bad but till has some inherit risks involved. But I guess that can be said for any deal longer then 4 years. I really am perched high atop the fence on this matter. I see so many pros and cons for each, but I'm still not sure I think the Sox will sign either.

[PineRider]

http://www.boston.com/sports/baseball/redsox/extras/extra_bases/2010/12/red_sox_sit_dow.html

 

Hopefully giant briefcases full of cash are present. haha. :harhar:

[a700hitter]

http://www.boston.com/sports/baseball/redsox/extras/extra_bases/2010/12/red_sox_sit_dow.html

 

Hopefully giant briefcases full of cash are present. haha. :harhar:

The deed to a Texas oil well could come in handy.