Red Sox offseason signings

[Dipre]

Your numbers are a bit off. With the increase to the luxury tax ceiling, the red Sox actually have around 40 million to play with.

 

That would allow them to sign one of Crawford/Werth (16 mill), Martinez, (13 mill), then allocate the rest of the resources towards a stopgap at 1B and the BP.

[Jacoby_Ellsbury]

As it should be. The Redsox have too many holes IMO. The bullpens next worst to Baltimore in the divison. The defense is very suspect mainly cause the short stop is terrible. The only move that makes any sense is Carl Crawford he's young.

sup BOY

[Palodios]

As it should be. The Redsox have too many holes IMO. The bullpens next worst to Baltimore in the divison. The defense is very suspect mainly cause the short stop is terrible. The only move that makes any sense is Carl Crawford he's young.

 

Considering that Toronto is losing three quality relievers to FA, I doubt their bullpen will be any good next year. Tampa's is also taking a pretty big hit.

[Republican4life38]

Considering that Toronto is losing three quality relievers to FA' date=' I doubt their bullpen will be any good next year. Tampa's is also taking a pretty big hit.[/quote']

 

Ehh, good to know. I havn't been up on this stuff latley if you couldn't tell. I'm no Theo Epstein but I'm pretty confident that Beltre for 15 mil a year is a move you make if your in contention. Which we are not during another bridge year.

[Dipre]

So the Sox aren't going to contend? News to me.

 

They won 89 games last year with a squad that had players with more days on the DL than Tampa, Toronto and Baltimore combined.

 

By the way, you do seem like BOY.

[Republican4life38]

So the Sox aren't going to contend? News to me.

 

They won 89 games last year with a squad that had players with more days on the DL than Tampa, Toronto and Baltimore combined.

 

By the way, you do seem like BOY.

 

Correct. They won 89 games last year. Correct it was a year filled with injurys. But it was also career years for a bunch of border line journeymen type of guys. Heres a little something I spent less then 5 minutes drawing up.

 

Josh Beckett had a few injurys lost about 6-7 mph off his heat and the curve doesn't curve anymore what is he going to do in 2011?

 

Dice-K Hurt all year but managed to be decent is he still on the team or does he get traded?

 

Jonathan Papelbon was horendous the last 2 seasons. They changed his delivery so his arm doesn't fall off what does he have left in 2011?

 

Okajima another guy who had a very bad year for his standards did the league figure him out?

 

Marco Scutaro battled through injuries but stunk in the field he made alot of errors don't know the exact amount. His range was pretty lousy too can he range more then 2 feet left or right this year who knows?

 

Mike Cameron can he be the 4th outfielder? For 8 mil a year? I should hope so.

 

Jacoby Ellsbury can he bounce back and if he gets off to a slow start can he handle the booing?

 

 

All those are questionmarks and when you have that many most of the time things don't seem to work. Hope I'm wrong.

[Dipre]

Correct. They won 89 games last year. Correct it was a year filled with injurys.

 

But it was also career years for a bunch of border line journeymen type of guys. Heres a little something I spent less then 5 minutes drawing up.

 

Who were these "journeymen type guys with career years"?

 

You could make a case for Darnell, but Bill Hall clubbed 36 HR's in 2006, so no career year.

Who then? Nava (1st year player), Eric Patterson (He sucked). Who?. The fact is whatever "career year" type of production we got from role players wouldn't have approached the production of a healthy Youkilis, Pedroia and Ellsbury.

 

Josh Beckett had a few injurys lost about 6-7 mph off his heat and the curve doesn't curve anymore what is he going to do in 2011?

 

Beckett's average FB velocity dropped from 94.3 in 2008/09 to 93.5 in 2010. This takes 30 seconds to look up.

 

Dice-K Hurt all year but managed to be decent is he still on the team or does he get traded?

 

That is a good question but it's not a make-or-break issues.

 

Jonathan Papelbon was horendous the last 2 seasons. They changed his delivery so his arm doesn't fall off what does he have left in 2011?

 

Jonathan Papelbon, while a problem, was not the main problem of the bullpen, a bullpen which should be addressed for the coming season. Not a make-or-break towards the contending status of the Sox either.

 

Okajima another guy who had a very bad year for his standards did the league figure him out?

 

He'll get replaced, and it won't be a problem, since this year's market is flooding with MRP.

 

Marco Scutaro battled through injuries but stunk in the field he made alot of errors don't know the exact amount. His range was pretty lousy too can he range more then 2 feet left or right this year who knows?

 

His "range" being pretty lousy is something you're obviously making up, good sir. Scutaro's range is pretty decent, and that's something that both watching the games and his advanced fielding metrics will tell you (-2.9 UZR, even with the injury) his problem was obviously his already weak arm being even weaker due to the injury. Marco Scutaro was not a problem for this team in 2009, and will probably not be a problem but a strength if healthy during 2010.

 

Mike Cameron can he be the 4th outfielder? For 8 mil a year? I should hope so.

If he's healthy, he can be. If he can't he doesn't play or gets cut. Simple as that.

 

Jacoby Ellsbury can he bounce back and if he gets off to a slow start can he handle the booing?

If the Sox sign a FA OF (and they probably will) it's a very real possibility he gets traded.

 

 

All those are questionmarks and when you have that many most of the time things don't seem to work. Hope I'm wrong.

 

Ok.

[Republican4life38]

See I wouldn't trade Ellsbury. He's part of the solution long term. And on Scutaro we can agree to disagree on that one. I think he's just awful out there.

[Palodios]

All those are questionmarks and when you have that many most of the time things don't seem to work. Hope I'm wrong.

 

A question mark is far better than what we got from the bullpen/Lackey/Beckett/the entire outfield all of last season. Last season was a complete "Worst-case-scenario" situation. What, do you think 25 guys will be on the DL this season instead of 19? With a new pitching coach, a revamped bullpen, and the money coming off the Lugo/Lowell deals, they should do very well.

 

 

See I wouldn't trade Ellsbury. He's part of the solution long term. And on Scutaro we can agree to disagree on that one. I think he's just awful out there.

Then you probably didn't watch him nearly enough. His stats were exactly as advertised when they signed him, with the one exception being that the man is a beast that will play through anything when his team needs him.

[a700hitter]

If the Sox sign a FA OF (and they probably will) it's a very real possibility he gets traded.

Ellsbury's value is low right now, so they will probably keep him for 2011. If they could get value for him, e.g. Greinke, he's gone.

[Dipre]

Then you probably didn't watch him nearly enough. His stats were exactly as advertised when they signed him' date=' with the one exception being that the man is a beast that will play through anything when his team needs him.[/quote']

 

This.

 

What was expected of Scutaro? An OPS around .710-.720 (Actual OPS .721) with around average D at SS (Which he provided basically with only one arm all year) and most important he played through more pains and aches than anyone would think humanly possible.