2010 Trade Deadline

[JimEdHOF2009]

Edmonds hits the ball the other way with authority.. Screw a BENCH bat...BENCH Cameron..he is doing nothing.. Get Edmonds and Cody Ross and release Hermida and trade Lowell. Edmonds and ROss can play left... and spot-start for Drew..enough with these AAAA players...

[jacksonianmarch]

This is a deadline that seems to be very short on impact bats, long on starting pitching and overpriced in the relief market. Berkman is probably the biggest name to move on the offensive end along with Cantu. Oswalt, Jackson, Haren, and Lee have already moved from the SP market and the relief market saw Capps move, and that might be it.

 

The sox dont need a SP. The could really use a RP, but it doesnt look likely. They could use an OF bat, but Ross seems like the only good name, and he isnt even that good. To be honest with you, I just dont see much of a match for them

[example1]

With Berkman in NY and with the Rays being active in every rumor' date=' this has the makings of a "give-up" kind of deadline for the sox.[/quote']

 

Except that the deadline isn't where the games are played.

 

Berkman makes a dangerous team slightly more dangerous. The Rays are active in every rumor just about every year, mostly because they have virtually no payroll and an enormous squad of talented minor leaguers.

[jacksonianmarch]

Except that the deadline isn't where the games are played.

 

Berkman makes a dangerous team slightly more dangerous. The Rays are active in every rumor just about every year, mostly because they have virtually no payroll and an enormous squad of talented minor leaguers.

 

No, it isnt. But it allows teams to fill glaring holes for the stretch run. NY has filled their biggest hole, IMO, as the DH spot looked like a nebulous void when all players slot into their positions.

 

Their rotation top 4 is good with CC, Pettitte, AJ and Vazquez. Hughes plus Robertson and Marte in the pen is a sufficient playoff bridge, with or without a successful Joba. And the offense from catcher to RF is solid. But having a DH spot that has Marcus Thames or Colin Curtis in it is a pretty easy out against a playoff rotation. Now, it isnt

[example1]

This is a deadline that seems to be very short on impact bats, long on starting pitching and overpriced in the relief market. Berkman is probably the biggest name to move on the offensive end along with Cantu. Oswalt, Jackson, Haren, and Lee have already moved from the SP market and the relief market saw Capps move, and that might be it.

 

The sox dont need a SP. The could really use a RP, but it doesnt look likely. They could use an OF bat, but Ross seems like the only good name, and he isnt even that good. To be honest with you, I just dont see much of a match for them

 

I agree that it is long on SP, but Lee is in a class by himself. Haren is a good pitcher but has the chance to be Scott Kazmir redux, and Oswalt isn't good enough to have been an AL impact pitcher (which is why the Yankees weren't too interested, right?). I would argue that the entire league has pretty mediocre talent available.

 

Even Berkman, who is a big name, isn't in his prime anymore and is an over the hill player.

[jacksonianmarch]

He is over the hill, but I do not think he is as bad as he has been thus far.

[example1]

No' date=' it isnt. But it allows teams to fill glaring holes for the stretch run. NY has filled their biggest hole, IMO, as the DH spot looked like a nebulous void when all players slot into their positions. [/quote']

 

If it was their biggest hole then why were they going so hard after Cliff Lee and Dan Haren? Seems like they would have attacked the DH spot earlier if it was their biggest hole.

 

It was the easiest big hole to fill, but they had their eyes elsewhere. That said, I give you props for calling Berkman a week ago.

[example1]

He is over the hill' date=' but I do not think he is as bad as he has been thus far.[/quote']

 

Of course you don't. He was just acquired by your favorite team on a day when the Red Sox haven't improved their team. He's basically Frank Thomas in his prime until he starts playing in pinstripes.

 

I'm just kidding man. He's actually a very professional hitter who will undoubtedly add something useful to the club. The Red Sox simply don't have any holes that can be filled by quality players. That's not their fault. They're not going to give up Jose Iglesias or some such piece for Cody Ross. We better believe that if Ryan Braun or Josh Hamilton were availabe they would be shooting to get them, but they're not and they're not.

[jacksonianmarch]

Of course you don't. He was just acquired by your favorite team on a day when the Red Sox haven't improved their team. He's basically Frank Thomas in his prime until he starts playing in pinstripes.

 

I'm just kidding man. He's actually a very professional hitter who will undoubtedly add something useful to the club. The Red Sox simply don't have any holes that can be filled by quality players. That's not their fault. They're not going to give up Jose Iglesias or some such piece for Cody Ross. We better believe that if Ryan Braun or Josh Hamilton were availabe they would be shooting to get them, but they're not and they're not.

 

I agree. The sox are kinda handcuffed. I will tell you this though. I think the sox should think about selling. Really and truly. If they let one west coast series fool them into thinking they're catching NY or TB, then they could lose out on a chance to improve the club in the future.

[Dipre]

I agree. The sox are kinda handcuffed. I will tell you this though. I think the sox should think about selling. Really and truly. If they let one west coast series fool them into thinking they're catching NY or TB' date=' then they could lose out on a chance to improve the club in the future.[/quote']

 

A week ago you said the Angels series should be a barometer as to whether the Sox should be buyers or sellers at the deadline.

 

Be consistent.

[jacksonianmarch]

A week ago you said the Angels series should be a barometer as to whether the Sox should be buyers or sellers at the deadline.

 

Be consistent.

 

Hey, you're back. Are you done playing the victim?

[CoachC.]

A week ago you said the Angels series should be a barometer as to whether the Sox should be buyers or sellers at the deadline.

 

Be consistent.

 

The quote:

I think the Anaheim series will be a big barometer. If the sox lose 2 of 3 and fall 7 or 8 games back in the L column to the Rays for the WC, then it's over and they should sell.

 

They're in the soft part of their schedule right now and there's plenty of head to head games with both the NYY and Rays to make up plenty of ground. Oh, and they're getting two pretty good players back in a couple of weeks too. Better than any possible trade that is out there and all of a sudden when teams are tiring down the stretch run - the sox will be the freshest team out there. You're kidding yourself if you don't think they will make a run.

[msubulldogs21]

I agree. The sox are kinda handcuffed. I will tell you this though. I think the sox should think about selling. Really and truly. If they let one west coast series fool them into thinking they're catching NY or TB' date=' then they could lose out on a chance to improve the club in the future.[/quote']

 

What do want us to do, try to move Beltre or Martinez? The division is out of reach but the WC race is still up in the air. If you think they're about to write this season off and start preparing for 2011 you're crazy.

[jacksonianmarch]

Let's put it this way. The sox went into a west coast trip needing to gain ground. They won 5 of 9, but the Yankees and Rays managed to increase their lead. On July 18th, the sox record was 52-40 and they were 7 games back in the L column of NY and 4 back of the Rays. Now, they are 8 games back in the L column of NY and 6 games back of the Rays. That's a big deficit, and it will get bigger if they lose tonight.

[Dipre]

The earlier post by Jacko simply reinforces the notion that he is a tool of such epic proportions that there is simply no way to measure his douchebaggery.

 

I'll keep calling you out on your conflicting opinions and bias, and feel free to get butthurt and make statements like that one, since it simply reinforces the notion that you bring very little to the table because of your bias and general douchebaggerie. Feel free to respond as you will, since you have set the notion all by yourself.

[ORS]

Right, because both TB and NY can win tonight. Oh wait....

 

With the pitching they've been getting and Pedroia / Ellsbury on the horizon, they'll see how the last two months play out, IMO.

[CoachC.]

Let's put it this way. The sox went into a west coast trip needing to gain ground. They won 5 of 9' date=' but the Yankees and Rays managed to increase their lead. On July 18th, the sox record was 52-40 and they were 7 games back in the L column of NY and 4 back of the Rays. Now, they are 8 games back in the L column of NY and 6 games back of the Rays. That's a big deficit, and it will get bigger if they lose tonight.[/quote']

 

How can it get bigger if the Rays and Yankees are playing EACH other? They can both win? This is news to me.

[jacksonianmarch]

Of course I have Dipre. Seeing as your only posts now are to snipe at me.

 

Regardless, the sox needed to gain ground against the soft west coast. They didnt.

[jacksonianmarch]

Right, because both TB and NY can win tonight. Oh wait....

 

With the pitching they've been getting and Pedroia / Ellsbury on the horizon, they'll see how the last two months play out, IMO.

 

And that is their prerogative. But if they put Beltre or VMart on the market tonight, they could get a massive haul back.

[jacksonianmarch]

How can it get bigger if the Rays and Yankees are playing EACH other? They can both win? This is news to me.

 

If they lose tonight, they are guaranteed to lose a game in the standings to SOMEONE

[Dipre]

Epic tool with an unwarranted sense of self-importance to boot.

 

On the topic, it's not even August, the Sox are getting to the soft part of the schedule, and the team is getting healthy.

 

Pretty self-explanatory.

[msubulldogs21]

Epic tool with an unwarranted sense of self-importance to boot.

 

On the topic, it's not even August, the Sox are getting to the soft part of the schedule, and the team is getting healthy.

 

Pretty self-explanatory.

 

We should pack it in though. Season's ovah.

[jacksonianmarch]

Your last 4 posts have been shots at me. It is pretty self explanatory. You are obsessed with me. I am flattered.

[yankees228]

If it was their biggest hole then why were they going so hard after Cliff Lee and Dan Haren? Seems like they would have attacked the DH spot earlier if it was their biggest hole.

 

It was the easiest big hole to fill, but they had their eyes elsewhere. That said, I give you props for calling Berkman a week ago.

 

I really believe their biggest hole is in the starting rotation, although no one seems to want to acknowledge that fact.

[jacksonianmarch]

I really believe their biggest hole is in the starting rotation' date=' although no one seems to want to acknowledge that fact.[/quote']

 

I dont think getting a starter would hurt, but I think the biggest thing is allows is for us to move Hughes to the pen when Pettitte comes back. We already have an ace. Burnett and Pettitte are a solid 2-3 when Burnett isnt in one of his bad spells, which he seems to be passing by. And Vazquez has looked really frickin good since early May. Not sure what else you want? Lee would have been incredible, but the M's screwed us.

 

That being said, I think Westbrook would be a good pickup

[msubulldogs21]

I really believe their biggest hole is in the starting rotation' date=' although no one seems to want to acknowledge that fact.[/quote']

 

Who, Yankee fans? I agree with you about the rotation.

[CoachC.]

but the M's screwed us.

 

[yankees228]

Who' date=' Yankee fans? I agree with you about the rotation.[/quote']

 

The places I go to read about the Yankees just never seem to mention it. Maybe I'm just missing it.

[jacksonianmarch]

 

A trade was agreed upon, then they backed out to get a bigger offer.

[CoachC.]

A trade was agreed upon' date=' then they backed out to get a bigger offer.[/quote']

 

Oh, no. They tried to get a better deal? How dare they!