2010 Trade Deadline

[TheMino007]

Who is to say once this team is healthy we will have a shot at the playoffs. When healthy, wasn't this the same team that started 11-19 and was almost dead in April?

[Dojji]

Who is to say once this team is healthy we will have a shot at the playoffs. When healthy' date=' wasn't this the same team that started 11-19 and was almost dead in April?[/quote']

 

Replacements like Nava and McDonald are a big part of our resurgence. People are forgetting that.

 

This team has spent all year not sure what it was, the guys we're getting back don't actually fix that with the possible exception of Ellsbury and Pedroia.

[TheMino007]

Hopefully Beckett's struggles were injury related and him and Lackey both pitch better for the entirety of the second half. The pen sucks no matter what, that is what worries me.

[BSN07]

It's why I said I don't expect any major moves from the Sox this deadline. Neither selling or buying. I expect they will stand pat, maybe a BP arm or something complementary, but for the most part they will go with the team they built in the off season.

 

 

I expect more "major" moves to come this November-December.

[Spudboy]

Dojji' date=' I've been trying to sell the idea of trading and rebuilding, but no one wants any part of it. Considering that the team already has its rotation back in order, and in the next week Ells/Vmart will probably be back, it makes sense to see what this team can do now that its finally back together, and still in striking distance.[/quote']

 

Dito.

 

 

Although I can, to some degree, understand Dojji's point of view.

[jacksonianmarch]

Replacements like Nava and McDonald are a big part of our resurgence. People are forgetting that.

 

This team has spent all year not sure what it was, the guys we're getting back don't actually fix that with the possible exception of Ellsbury and Pedroia.

 

a rational thought swept under the rug. A lot of people are pointing to the injuries without actually looking at what the sox did when they werent horrendously banged up

[Keeper]

Now that Brandon Inge is out, I'll bet the Tigers would be interested in Lowell. They're still contending in the AL Central, so you would think they would try to plug that hole at 3B.

[ORS]

a rational thought swept under the rug. A lot of people are pointing to the injuries without actually looking at what the sox did when they werent horrendously banged up

What they did was lead the league in runs before they were horrendously banged up. Apparently, that still isn't good enough to be in the conversation with the historically awesome (not really) Yankee offense. Those guys helped them survive the loss of Ellsbury and Cameron, but the loss of Pedroia and Martinez was too much. Those are the injuries (along with Buchholz) that people are pointing to.

[TheMino007]

Pedrioa and V-Mart were the killers. Having a Triple A catching platoon every game for the past month has been awful, and Bill Hall and Patterson can only do so much at 2nd base.

[Yaz Sideburn]

a rational thought swept under the rug. A lot of people are pointing to the injuries without actually looking at what the sox did when they werent horrendously banged up

 

yes, clearly it's much more rational to judge a team by their worst stretch of play in a season rather than judging them by the fact that they have one of the best records in baseball. what would we do without you, the voice of reason?

[Palodios]

Pedrioa and V-Mart were the killers. Having a Triple A catching platoon every game for the past month has been awful' date=' and Bill Hall and Patterson can only do so much at 2nd base.[/quote']

 

I completely agree. There are 3 positions that are difficult to replace with productivity, and those are SS, 2nd, C. This team's catcher and 2nd baseman are top 5 at their position, so losing them and replacing them with AAA players severely hurts the team's offense.

[Yaz Sideburn]

the clear up some of the stats in here, we were never 11-19. our low point on the season was on april 19th when we were 4-9 and the next day we put ellsbury and cameron on the disabled list. in april we had a 4.61 era and were 18th in the majors in runs scored. since then we've had an era of 4.12 and have scored the second most runs in baseball

[Will617]

There's a lot of depth at both OF and pitching in the minor leagues. I feel like that could be used to get a good return either this year, or next. Nava looks major-league ready, and it seems Kalish/Reddick/Westmoreland (if he's able to return to baseball) are all highly rated, though Reddick has not impressed this year. Similarly, Doubront is close to ML ready, and Bowden has the chance to impress, but I'm not too optimistic there. That, however, seems like a lot of pieces for positions where the Sox are respectively decently off (Ellsbury looks good, Nava is IMO ready to compete for a starting job, and Drew's spot will be opening up right as the Kalish/Reddick/Westmoreland trio mature), and getting suffocated by depth (Lester, Beckett, Buchholz, Lackey, Dice-K).

I feel like that's a lot of tradeable assets (more if you include Buchholz and Bard, but I think they're untradeable now), and giving up a package of 2-3 of those players along with potentially a player further out for a power hitter is both viable and necessary, given the glut of starting talent.

[Palodios]

Welcome to Talksox!

 

Unfortunately, the amount of trading chips on this team isn't where you think it is. Reddick and Westmoreland have no trade value right now. They have much more value as part of the Red Sox organization than in any trade-- hopefully they'll improve and impact this organization, but right now teams will not take them as significant pieces in a trade.

 

Buchholz has the potential to be an ace, and Bard has the potential to be a closer, and they're both showing that this season, so they will need to get incredible returns before trading either. There are really only 4 big bats that they could reasonably trade for-- Werth/Hart/Dunn/Fielder, but I don't think trading Buch/Bard for them makes much sense for the long term of the organization.

[Will617]

Thanks =)

 

I do feel like Reddick and Westmoreland would have more value at next year's trade deadline; I'm hoping that Reddick's suffering from bad luck and Westmoreland makes a full recovery. I agree the OF depth isn't perfect, but it's quite good. Regardless, the pitching depth is phenomenal IMO, even with Buch/Bard out of the picture. I feel like it's enough to get a slugger somewhere along the lines of Jason Bay (or what I think of him) - not named Adrian Gonzalez or Prince Fielder, but has been productive elsewhere and will be really good in Fenway. Werth comes to mind, though I've heard the Phillies want a lot for him (and he's been struggling lately).

 

I don't think a deal needs to get done now, but if the Sox are still in contention next year at the deadline minus both Beltre and Ortiz (without replacements for either), they have the pieces to make a pretty good package.

[Keeper]

You're crazy optimistic if you think Westmoreland will have trade value next year.

[Spudboy]

You're crazy optimistic if you think Westmoreland will have trade value next year.

 

Yeah, that's a huge leap of faith. Even if he were to recover enough to be on the field and resume his development, the Sox would not be likely to trade him. That would be a huge public relations misstep in these parts. Westmoreland is viewed as another Tony C.

[Will617]

Alright, I wasn't aware of how long the recovery is from surgery like that. I heard he had been hitting off a tee, but I guess I projected that too optimistically.

[BSN07]

Alright' date=' I wasn't aware of how long the recovery is from surgery like that. I heard he had been hitting off a tee, but I guess I projected that too optimistically.[/quote']

 

Put it this way. If he can return and play baseball, it will be a minor miracle to say the least.

[Dojji]

Don't give up on WML. Cynicism for its own sake is lame. Sometimes these things do work out better than expected, so hold out a little hope.

 

But as to trade value, yeah, RWML isn't likely to have a lot of it until he demonstrates he's ready to play fulltime.

[jacksonianmarch]

The question still remains people. Are the Red Sox buyers or sellers at the deadline?

[Palodios]

There have been dozens of reports that say they're buyers. There have been two reports that they're sellers. If they didn't make a trade when they absolutely needed depth, why would they make one now that everyone is returning? They're sticking with who they have.

[BSN07]

Don't give up on WML. Cynicism for its own sake is lame. Sometimes these things do work out better than expected, so hold out a little hope.

 

But as to trade value, yeah, RWML isn't likely to have a lot of it until he demonstrates he's ready to play fulltime.

I'm not giving up hope on the kid at all. But until he is back playing, I don't think of him as part of the Sox system anyway.

The question still remains people. Are the Red Sox buyers or sellers at the deadline?

 

I'm gonna agree with Palodios. They are going to stand pat for the most part. Maybe a BP arm, bench type player. Nothing big. Which is fine.

[Station 13]

The question still remains people. Are the Red Sox buyers or sellers at the deadline?

 

A better question is why are Delcarmen, Ramirez and Chokijima are still around?

[Palodios]

Let me copy and paste this. RR has improved significantly as of late.

 

Ramon Ramirez ERA by month

April 6.75, May 4.82, June 3.18 July 4.00

[Station 13]

Let me copy and paste this. RR has improved significantly as of late.

 

Ramon Ramirez ERA by month

April 6.75, May 4.82, June 3.18 July 4.00

 

You have to look at the work he does. Low leverage situations are different than high leverage. Ramirez has appeared only in 4 situations where the game is still a save situation in the 9th.

 

Bard has appear in 29 of those high leverage situations.

[Palodios]

You have to look at the work he does. Low leverage situations are different than high leverage. Ramirez has appeared only in 4 situations where the game is still a save situation in the 9th.

 

Bard has appear in 29 of those high leverage situations.

 

You're just nitpicking now. Bard gets that work simply because he's an elite pitcher. RR got earned a save a few days ago.

[Station 13]

You're just nitpicking now. Bard gets that work simply because he's an elite pitcher. RR got earned a save a few days ago.

 

Just pointing out that Ramirez isn't that good. He's better than Delcarmen and Chokijima I'll give you that. Delcarmen just makes you want to puke with his inability to find the strikezone. Of the three guy if two must go, Ramirez is probably the guy they'll keep.

 

Now countdown when Okajima will get DFA. TICK. TOCK. TICK. TOCK

[Yaz Sideburn]

The question still remains people. Are the Red Sox buyers or sellers at the deadline?

 

you're the only person who thinks that's actually debatable

[Palodios]

you're the only person who thinks that's actually debatable

 

There were a few of us yesterday who wanted to get value from VMart/Beltre while the team can. The team has a lot of young stars, so protecting this team's future is worth far more to me than making the playoffs and losing the first round.