Andy Pettitte hints at retiring after 2010

[Dipre]

With Cone coming back from his aneurysm' date=' I'd argue that Pettitte was the ace on the 1996 team.[/quote']

 

Fair enough.

[jacksonianmarch]

Pettitte was the best pitcher on..

1996 WS team- 21-8 3.87ERA 221IP

1997 ALE Champs- 18-7 2.88ERA 240IP

 

 

He was second best on

2000 WS Champs- 19-9 4.35ERA 204IP

2003 AL Champs- 21-8 4.02ERA 208IP

2005- NL Champs- 17-9 2.39ERA 222IP

2007- AL WC- 15-9 4.05ERA 215IP

[Dipre]

Andy Pettite was not better than David Cone in 1997. He threw more innings, but Cone's statistics were superior, even if it was by a slight margin.

 

In 2003, he was third best. Both Clemens and Mussina were superior pitchers. The Yankees did not win the WS.

 

The Astros did not win the WS in 2003.

 

The Yankees did not win the WS in 2007. They didn't even reach it.

 

He was the best pitcher and second best pitcher of one championship team respectively. Being part of a Championship team was the initial ground of your argument.

[ORS]

He was a backup/role player on a lot of championship teams' date=' plus it's a different sport. Pettitte was one of if not the best starting pitcher on 5 championship teams and 8 world series teams.[/quote']

O'Neill was the best RF. Williams was the best CF. Do they get in?

 

Like Pettitte, they both fall short in 3 of the 4 HOF tracking categories on BBRef.

 

Those Yankee teams won because they were very good from top to bottom, and they had the best closer ever to hammer nails in the coffin. Pettitte was a big part of them being very good from top to bottom, but he shouldn't make the HOF just because the rest of his team was very good, neither should Williams, O'Neill, et al.

 

Rivera, Jeter, maybe Posada. I think that's where it should end.

[yankees228]

O'Neill was the best RF. Williams was the best CF. Do they get in?

 

Like Pettitte, they both fall short in 3 of the 4 HOF tracking categories on BBRef.

 

Those Yankee teams won because they were very good from top to bottom, and they had the best closer ever to hammer nails in the coffin. Pettitte was a big part of them being very good from top to bottom, but he shouldn't make the HOF just because the rest of his team was very good, neither should Williams, O'Neill, et al.

 

Rivera, Jeter, maybe Posada. I think that's where it should end.

 

Being the best starting pitcher on a team (where there are four other starting pitchers) is a little bit different than being the best right fielder or center fielder on a team (where there are no other starters at those positions).

 

I agree with you, I don't think Pettitte should make it, and I think there are a lot of factors that go into whether or not someone is worthy of making the HOF. I do think though, that being the leading man on multiple championship teams, and performing spectacularly on the biggest stage (which Pettitte didn't always do) should count for something.

[Dipre]

Being the best starting pitcher on a team (where there are four other starting pitchers) is a little bit different than being the best right fielder or center fielder on a team (where there are no other starters at those positions).

 

I agree with you, I don't think Pettitte should make it, and I think there are a lot of factors that go into whether or not someone is worthy of making the HOF. I do think though, that being the leading man on multiple championship teams, and performing spectacularly on the biggest stage (which Pettitte didn't always do) should count for something.

 

It should count, but not nearly as much as prolonged regulasr season dominance, because in the end, no matter how much you play in the post-season, it's a microscopic sample much more given to fluctuation and flukeyness when compared to an overall regular season body of work.

[yankees228]

It should count' date=' but not nearly as much as prolonged regulasr season dominance, because in the end, no matter how much you play in the post-season, it's a microscopic sample much more given to fluctuation and flukeyness when compared to an overall regular season body of work.[/quote']

 

Completely agreed.

[ORS]

Being the best starting pitcher on a team (where there are four other starting pitchers) is a little bit different than being the best right fielder or center fielder on a team (where there are no other starters at those positions).

 

I agree with you, I don't think Pettitte should make it, and I think there are a lot of factors that go into whether or not someone is worthy of making the HOF. I do think though, that being the leading man on multiple championship teams, and performing spectacularly on the biggest stage (which Pettitte didn't always do) should count for something.

They were middle of the order bats. I'd say those types are every bit as important to your success as your top 2 or 3 SP.

[yankees228]

They were middle of the order bats. I'd say those types are every bit as important to your success as your top 2 or 3 SP.

 

That's a good point. When I read your post I thought of them just as a starting right fielder and a starting center fielder.

[ORS]

That's because it's my fault for stating it that way. They, like Pettitte, were key contributors for multiple championships, if you go back to Cincy, O'Neill was a key contributor to just as many championships as Pettitte. None of them belong in the HOF though.