Comparing Red Sox and Yankees lineups.

[silky kitten]

Which lineup do you think is better and why?

 

Ill give my opinion

C - V-Mart > Posada (Backups = push?)

1B - Push

2B - Push

SS - Jeter > Scutaro

3B - Arod > Beltre

LF Ellsbury > Gardner/Thames/Winn

CF - Push? I don't see much difference between Granderson/Cameron honestly, both hit homers, but have pretty low averages.

RF - Drew > Swisher.

DH - Nick Johnson > Ortiz (if he stays healthy and in that ball park, but if ortiz does what he did in 2nd half last year, watch out).

Seems pretty even, opinions?

[BSN07]

C- VMart

1B- Tex(splitting hairs here)

2B- A solid argument can be made for both sides

SS- Jeter

3B- Arod

LF- Jacoby

CF- Granderson(I won't be surprised at all if he hits 40 HRS now playing in Coors East.)

RF- Drew

[BoSox21]

C - Martinez

1B - Tex

2B - Push

3B - ARod

SS - Jeter

LF - Ellsbury

CF - Granderson

RF - Drew

DH - Ortiz

 

Yankees have the better offense on paper, I won't dispute that.

[TheMino007]

1. C-Martinez

1B. Tex

2B. Cano

SS. Jeter

3B A-Rod

RF Drew

CF Granderson

LF Ellsbury

DH Ortiz

[yeszir]

B.O.Y alert

[jacksonianmarch]

I am surprised at people taking VMart over Posada offensively without even giving him a close or push here. Posada has him by .030 in OPS over their careers and has beaten him in OPS every yr 06-09.

[BoSox21]

I am surprised at people taking VMart over Posada offensively without even giving him a close or push here. Posada has him by .030 in OPS over their careers and has beaten him in OPS every yr 06-09.

 

Are you just as surprised at Beckett apparently agreeing to a 4-year extension?

[bsox0407]

I am surprised at people taking VMart over Posada offensively without even giving him a close or push here. Posada has him by .030 in OPS over their careers and has beaten him in OPS every yr 06-09.

 

Posada is aging and IMO won't be able to catch as many games and will be a part time DH.

 

As for my lineup.

 

C-V-mart

1B- Tex

2B- Pedey

3B- A-rod

SS- Jeter

LF- Ells

CF- Push(both are good CF. I would give Curtis a slight edge for playing in NYY Stadium but the fact that he can't hit Lefties well is a Downside.

RF- Drew

DH-Ortiz (if he doesn't start like he did last year.

 

Rotation

CC = Beckett Both great ptichers. Little edge towards CC.

Lester > Burnett

Lackey > Vazquez

Buchholz

Wake

 

Bullpen

Push

 

Closer

Rivera.

[italstallianion]

Maybe we should do another thread with defenses or starting rotations.

[Dipre]

I am surprised at people taking VMart over Posada offensively without even giving him a close or push here. Posada has him by .030 in OPS over their careers and has beaten him in OPS every yr 06-09.

 

Wait, so Red Sox players have to battle "father time" but Yankees players don't?

 

How old is Posada again? Which one of them is having limited playing time because of age? If your answer is V-Mart, then you are an idiot. :harhar:

[Spudboy]

C - Vmart

1st - Push - they are close both offensively, and defensively. Youk has positional versitility.

2nd - Pedroia

3rd - A-Roid

SS - Jeter

LF - Ellsbury

CF - Granderson

RF - Drew

DH - Johnson

[jacksonianmarch]

Wait, so Red Sox players have to battle "father time" but Yankees players don't?

 

How old is Posada again? Which one of them is having limited playing time because of age? If your answer is V-Mart, then you are an idiot. :harhar:

 

I see how it is Dipre. Reality is just a thought in Dipre-land. Jorge has outperformed VMart throughout his entire career. Yes, father time is a major concern, I'll give you that. But thus far, Posada has hit circles around Vmart. So maybe a push is in order?

[jacksonianmarch]

Posada is aging and IMO won't be able to catch as many games and will be a part time DH.

 

As for my lineup.

 

C-V-mart

1B- Tex

2B- Pedey

3B- A-rod

SS- Jeter

LF- Ells

CF- Push(both are good CF. I would give Curtis a slight edge for playing in NYY Stadium but the fact that he can't hit Lefties well is a Downside.

RF- Drew

DH-Ortiz (if he doesn't start like he did last year.

 

Rotation

CC = Beckett Both great ptichers. Little edge towards CC.

Lester > Burnett

Lackey > Vazquez

Buchholz

Wake

 

Bullpen

Push

 

Closer

Rivera.

 

I agree. Posada probably sees 110 games behind the dish, maximum. But I think VMart sees about that much as well.

[Dipre]

I see how it is Dipre. Reality is just a thought in Dipre-land. Jorge has outperformed VMart throughout his entire career. Yes' date=' father time is a major concern, I'll give you that. But thus far, Posada has hit circles around Vmart. So maybe a push is in order?[/quote']

 

V-Mart will see more time at C, has no health concerns and will quite possibly outperform Posada given the age-related difference (which you just admitted to). Please join the rest of us in reality and take two seconds to think your arguments through before posting.

 

I also love how you immediately backtracked to "push", because you know the reality of the issue, Mr. Yankee bias.

 

Also, Posada has hit circles around V-Mart? Lol.

 

Posada career OPS: .859 ,OPS+:124

 

V-Mart career OPS: .837 , OPS+: 121

 

So a .022 difference in OPS and .03 difference in OPS+ constitutes "hitting circles" around another player?

 

You, sir, are an idiot.

[rhet]

C - Vmart

1st - Tex

2nd - Cano

3rd - A-Roid

SS - Jeter

LF - Ellsbury

CF - Cameron

RF - Swisher

DH - Ortiz

[redsoxrules]

C - Vmart

1st - Tex

2nd - Cano

3rd - A-Roid

SS - Jeter

LF - Ellsbury

CF - Cameron

RF - Swisher

DH - Ortiz

 

you're such a Drew hater its not even funny

 

how the hell can you put Swisher better than Drew , or do I even want to know ....

[Dipre]

you're such a Drew hater its not even funny

 

how the hell can you put Swisher better than Drew , or do I even want to know ....

 

You do not.

[rhet]

you're such a Drew hater its not even funny

 

how the hell can you put Swisher better than Drew , or do I even want to know ....

 

After Dipre was signing his praises the other day, I looked up his numbers and see that he's better than Drew.

[redsoxrules]

After Dipre was signing his praises the other day' date=' I looked up his numbers and see that he's better than Drew.[/quote']

 

and what numbers would that be ?

[yankees228]

Outside of home runs and RBIs (understandable when comparing the two lineups), Drew has Swisher beat across the board. And, while this thread is only about offensive production, Drew is by far the superior defender.

[Dipre]

Outside of home runs and RBIs (understandable when comparing the two lineups)' date=' Drew has Swisher beat across the board. And, while this thread is only about offensive production, Drew is by far the superior defender.[/quote']

 

And even worse, it's 14 RBI and 5 HR's, even though Swisher had almost 100 more PA's than Drew. Lol.

[TedWilliams101]

Swisher: 0.249 BA, 0.371 OBP, 0.498 SLG, 0.869 OPS, 129 OPS+

JD Drew:0.279 BA, 0.392 OBP, 0.522 SLG, 0.914 OPS, 133 OPS+

 

Swisher: HR/PA - 0.05, RBI/PA - 0.14, BB/PA - 0.16, K/PA - 0.21

JD Drew:HR/PA - 0.04, RBI/PA - 0.13, BB/PA - 0.15, K/PA - 0.20

 

Swisher: line with RISP: 0.277 BA, 0.380 OBP, 0.361 SLG, 0.741 OPS, 6 HR, 48 RBI in 160 PA

JD Drew:line with RISP: 0.213 BA, 0.399 OBP, 0.463 SLG, 0.862 OPS, 7 HR,46 RBI in 143 PA

 

Value

Swisher: UZR -1.3, RAR 36.2, WAR 3.6

JD Drew:UZR 10.5, RAR 47.6, WAR 4.8

(UZR = fielding, RAR = runs above replacement, WAR = wins above replacement)

 

JD across the board.

[Spudboy]

The OP never made any mention of this thread being only about offensive production.

[Dipre]

Which lineup do you think is better and why?

 

That's what they mean, so it's only about offensive production.

[Spudboy]

I guess that open to interpretation. I don't see a line-up as a batting order only. Certainly the media in Boston does not.

 

And again, the OP did not specify "who do you think has the best offensive line-up".

 

Feel free to make a big deal out of nothing.

[TedWilliams101]

I'm still taking V-mart and Drew (obviously) over Posada and Swisher. Posada is getting old, V-mart had amazing numbers with the Sox, and Drew is just plain better than Swisher.

 

C: V-mart

1: Tex

2: Pedroia (close)

SS: Jeter

3: Arod

LF: Ellsbury

CF: Granderson (farily close)

RF: Drew

DH: Ortiz (though i could see him struggling)

[Dipre]

Feel free to make a big deal out of nothing.

 

lolwut?

 

I just said that's what people meant. That phrase is making a big deal out of nothing, sir.

[Spudboy]

Taking lessons in backpedaling, are you?

 

Here is what wiki says:

 

A starting lineup in sports is an official list of the set of players who will actively participate in the event when the game begins.[1] The players in the starting lineup are commonly referred to as starters, whereas the others are substitutes or bench players.

 

The starters are commonly the best players on the team at their respective positions. Consequently, there is often a bit of prestige that is associated with being a starter. In both baseball and basketball, it is common for players' positions to be denoted by a number as well as by a name. In that instance, the associated number is used as well. If a common abbreviation is known, the abbreviation is listed after the associated number.

[TedWilliams101]

Spud, I look at a lineup the same way you do but most people only think offense when they refer to a lineup. It's just the way people talk about baseball right now, even if it is incorrect. I like to always take into account defense when discussing a lineup, but most folks don't.

[Dipre]

Taking lessons in backpedaling, are you?

 

Here is what wiki says:

 

A starting lineup in sports is an official list of the set of players who will actively participate in the event when the game begins.[1] The players in the starting lineup are commonly referred to as starters, whereas the others are substitutes or bench players.

 

The starters are commonly the best players on the team at their respective positions. Consequently, there is often a bit of prestige that is associated with being a starter. In both baseball and basketball, it is common for players' positions to be denoted by a number as well as by a name. In that instance, the associated number is used as well. If a common abbreviation is known, the abbreviation is listed after the associated number.

 

What is your definition of backpedaling? It seems incorrect.

 

What wiki says is not my issue, i simply stated that OP most likely referred to offense when discussing lineups, and he talked about offense while describing them.I don't see the reason to get thy panties in a bunch.