Yankees 25 man roster for 2010

[Plumpamania]

Ceverelli is a fan of 2 girls 1 cup.

[bsox0407]

I don't see how this is really going to make any sort of impact' date=' even if he is smart.[/quote']

 

IMO Posada can help teach him to hit better along with these guys who they call a Hitting Coach.

[Dipre]

IMO Posada can help teach him to hit better along with these guys who they call a Hitting Coach.

 

That's not something you can substantiate. It's your opinion, but it's illogical and lacks a solid ground.

[bsox0407]

That's not something you can substantiate. It's your opinion' date=' but it's illogical and lacks a solid ground.[/quote']

 

Its illogical to say that coaches that they pay money won't help him.

[bsox0407]

Its illogical to say that coaches that they pay money won't help him.

 

I never said that it was just Posada that was gonna help him.

[Dipre]

Its illogical to say that coaches that they pay money won't help him.

 

It is.

 

A player is what he is. This is not about "unfulfilled projection" in which case, you might have a point. Cervelli is projected as a backup catcher who's ceiling is a .700 OPS, and that's exactly what he is. You can't outperform your actual abilities, no matter the coaching you receive, because in that case, every pitcher who worked with Duncan would become a Cy Young winner, and that is clearly not the case.

[bsox0407]

It is.

 

A player is what he is. This is not about "unfulfilled projection" in which case, you might have a point. Cervelli is projected as a backup catcher who's ceiling is a .700 OPS, and that's exactly what he is. You can't outperform your actual abilities, no matter the coaching you receive, because in that case, every pitcher who worked with Duncan would become a Cy Young winner, and that is clearly not the case.

 

I never said he was gonna be an all-star but i said he is going to improve over last year. But if he has a hole in his swing a MLB batting coach maybe able to fix it over that of a minor league batting coach.

 

BTW, I never said that he was gonna get an OPS over .700 but what I did say that IMO, he is going to improve over last year. If players didn't learn from coaches then they wouldn't need a farm system.

 

I understand that you say that he is the best that he is but we will wait and see what happens next year.

[Dipre]

I never said he was gonna be an all-star but i said he is going to improve over last year. But if he has a hole in his swing a MLB batting coach maybe able to fix it over that of a minor league batting coach.

 

BTW, I never said that he was gonna get an OPS over .700 but what I did say that IMO, he is going to improve over last year. If players didn't learn from coaches then they wouldn't need a farm system.

 

I understand that you say that he is the best that he is but we will wait and see what happens next year.

 

He had a .682 OPS last year. If you don't think he's going to have an OPS much above .700 (he probably won't unless it's an extreme SSS) but he's going to improve "because of coaching" then you're contradicting yourself.

 

All the coaching in the world won't make you surpass your actual ability.

[bsox0407]

He had a .682 OPS last year. If you don't think he's going to have an OPS much above .700 (he probably won't unless it's an extreme SSS) but he's going to improve "because of coaching" then you're contradicting yourself.

 

All the coaching in the world won't make you surpass your actual ability.

 

He could have a .699 OPS that is improving. lol.

 

Stats aren't what the real improvements I am only talking about. Also if he has a hole in his swing he could be taught how to fix it and improve.

[Dipre]

He could have a .699 OPS that is improving. lol.

 

Stats aren't what the real improvements I am only talking about. Also if he has a hole in his swing he could be taught how to fix it and improve.

 

Then he would improve his overall numbers, and probably wouldn't be a backup catcher. It's really not about holes in swing or otherwise mechanical flaws. It's about ability and projection. There is nothing in his minor league dossier or scouting reports that suggest he'll be much more than a backup catcher due to his fantastic defensive abilities. Again. he is what he is. A good, mobile catch-and-release catcher who can't hit much.

[bsox0407]

Then he would improve his overall numbers' date=' and probably wouldn't be a backup catcher. It's really not about holes in swing or otherwise mechanical flaws. It's about ability and projection. There is nothing in his minor league dossier or scouting reports that suggest he'll be much more than a backup catcher due to his fantastic defensive abilities. Again. he is what he is. A good, mobile catch-and-release catcher who can't hit much.[/quote']

 

Scouting reports aren't always correct.

 

Pedroia-was passed over by a few teams because of bad scouting reports. They said he was to small to be a good player.

 

Players can change. he won't be anything more than a back up catcher but i think he will better than last year in not only catching and hitting.

[Dipre]

Scouting reports aren't always correct.

 

Pedroia-was passed over by a few teams because of bad scouting reports. They said he was to small to be a good player.

 

Players can change. he won't be anything more than a back up catcher but i think he will better than last year in not only catching and hitting.

 

Pedroia was consistently a top-10 Red Sox prospect, and a top-100 prospect. His hand-eye coordination is the stuff of legend, and he was expected to be exactly what he is, a gap hitter with outstanding contact and good on-base skills to go with outstanding defense.

 

This argument holds no water.

[bsox0407]

Pedroia was consistently a top-10 Red Sox prospect, and a top-100 prospect. His hand-eye coordination is the stuff of legend, and he was expected to be exactly what he is, a gap hitter with outstanding contact and good on-base skills to go with outstanding defense.

 

This argument holds no water.

 

Um except that he was supposed to go much higher in the draft and not even be close to the Sox.

[Dipre]

Um except that he was supposed to go much higher in the draft and not even be close to the Sox.

 

That has no bearing on the current discussion.

 

Many players went much lower than they should have in the draft, but skyrocketed in their respective systems as they began to show off their skillsets against organized competition.

 

Pedroia is one of those cases.

 

How that correlates to Cervelli's actual ability to hit as demonstrated by his minor league dossier is beyond me.

[bsox0407]

That has no bearing on the current discussion.

 

Many players went much lower than they should have in the draft, but skyrocketed in their respective systems as they began to show off their skillsets against organized competition.

 

Pedroia is one of those cases.

 

How that correlates to Cervelli's actual ability to hit as demonstrated by his minor league dossier is beyond me.

 

I was giving an example to how Scouting reports can be wrong.

 

Did you read the post.

 

Scouting reports aren't always correct.

 

Pedroia-was passed over by a few teams because of bad scouting reports. They said he was to small to be a good player.

 

Players can change. he won't be anything more than a back up catcher but i think he will better than last year in not only catching and hitting.

[Dipre]

I was giving an example to how Scouting reports can be wrong.

 

Did you read the post.

 

I read the post.

 

It simply makes no sense.

 

The real concern about Pedroia was about the size of his swing, and how it would translate into hitting Major League pitching, it was a legit concern then, and it's still a legit concern now, as was his range (he was drafted as a SS) the Sox took the chance and moved him to second. This is not a case of a "bad scouting report" and even if it was a case, you're discounting the importance of a player's performance at the minor league level. Cervelli posted a .747 minor league OPS with minimal power (380 SLG%) so can you explain to me exactly how those numbers would translate to better production at the Major League level?

[bsox0407]

I read the post.

 

It simply makes no sense.

 

The real concern about Pedroia was about the size of his swing, and how it would translate into hitting Major League pitching, it was a legit concern then, and it's still a legit concern now, as was his range (he was drafted as a SS) the Sox took the chance and moved him to second. This is not a case of a "bad scouting report" and even if it was a case, you're discounting the importance of a player's performance at the minor league level. Cervelli posted a .747 minor league OPS with minimal power (380 SLG%) so can you explain to me exactly how those numbers would translate to better production at the Major League level?

 

Some players don't perform at lower levels and blossom at the MLB level. It was the size of his swing because of his size in general.

[Dipre]

Some players don't perform at lower levels and blossom at the MLB level. It was the size of his swing because of his size in general.

 

It was both. He lacked range at SS according to scouts, and the move to 2B fixed that. He had excellent minor league numbers, so "coaching at the major league level" had nothing to do with it.

 

Pedroia's minor league numbers:

 

.308/ .392/ .454 .846 OPS

 

Massive difference in performance.

 

I'd also like to see an example of a player who was deemed a backup in the minors then exploded upon reaching the Majors.

[bsox0407]

It was both. He lacked range at SS according to scouts, and the move to 2B fixed that. He had excellent minor league numbers, so "coaching at the major league level" had nothing to do with it.

 

Pedroia's minor league numbers:

 

.308/ .392/ .454 .846 OPS

 

Massive difference in performance.

 

I'd also like to see an example of a player who was deemed a backup in the minors then exploded upon reaching the Majors.

 

Jason Varitek. .259/.344/.435/.779 MLB this includes his last two horrid seasons

 

.247/ .339/.400/.739

 

THis is without those two seasons.

 

.267/ .350/ .447/.797

[Dipre]

Jason Varitek. .259/.344/.435/.779 MLB this includes his last two horrid seasons

 

.247/ .339/.400/.739

 

THis is without those two seasons.

 

.267/ .350/ .447/.797

 

Varitek was always a starter in the minors. Never a backup. Try again. Also if you'll notice, he had a SLG% above 400. He had power in the minors that finished developing in the Majors. He didn't "suck" in the minors.

[bsox0407]

Varitek was always a starter in the minors. Never a backup. Try again. Also if you'll notice' date=' he had a SLG% above 400. [b']He had power in the minors that finished developing in the Majors.[/b] He didn't "suck" in the minors.

 

20 points on BA. and 60. points on the OPS thats not significant or anything.

 

But he wasn't the best player in the minors.

 

Are we 100% sure that Cervelli is done developing. maybe he is a late bloomer to.

[Dipre]

20 points on BA. and 60. points on the OPS thats not significant or anything.

 

But he wasn't the best player in the minors.

 

Are we 100% sure that Cervelli is done developing. maybe he is a late bloomer to.

 

Neither was Pedroia, or Youkilis.

 

The point is that Cervelli was projected as a backup, he was brought up as a backup, and he is a backup. That's the reality of it.

[jacksonianmarch]

Cervelli is 22 yrs old. He isnt done developing. He'll get better, the question is by how much. And players can regress as they age too. I love Cervelli on this team. I think he gives us a legitimate backup solid D catcher who can hit and run a bit too. His defense plays well enough to start a la a Gerald Laird. But in NY, that will never fly

[bsox0407]

Neither was Pedroia, or Youkilis.

 

The point is that Cervelli was projected as a backup, he was brought up as a backup, and he is a backup. That's the reality of it.

 

Again i never said he was going to be a starter or an all-star. I said he is a back-up but i said he will improve.

[Dipre]

Cervelli is 22 yrs old. He isnt done developing. He'll get better' date=' the question is by how much. And players can regress as they age too. I love Cervelli on this team. I think he gives us a legitimate backup solid D catcher who can hit and run a bit too. His defense plays well enough to start a la a Gerald Laird. But in NY, that will never fly[/quote']

 

The point is that he was brought up to be a solid backup. That's what he is. Not many teams can claim to have a tandem like Posada/Cervelli, but that doesn't mean he's starter material either.

[Dipre]

Again i never said he was going to be a starter or an all-star. I said he is a back-up but i said he will improve.

 

But improve on what?

[bsox0407]

But improve on what?

 

His Defense and Offense. He will become a smarter catcher.

[Dipre]

His Defense and Offense. He will become a smarter catcher.

 

His defense is already polished. He's very mobile behind the plate, and has fantastic catch-and-release capabilities. If anything, he could show Posada a thing or two about defense.

 

About offense. He's a backup catcher for a reason. No amount of coaching or hanging out with Posada will change his projection. 680-720 OPS backup catcher on SSS. That's it.

[bsox0407]

His defense is already polished. He's very mobile behind the plate, and has fantastic catch-and-release capabilities. If anything, he could show Posada a thing or two about defense.

 

About offense. He's a backup catcher for a reason. No amount of coaching or hanging out with Posada will change his projection. 680-720 OPS backup catcher on SSS. That's it.

 

I never said that it was gonna be a great improvement but will improve. Not going from being a 200 hitter to a 350 hitter but being that 200 hitter and getting a few more base knocks.

[Dipre]

I never said that it was gonna be a great improvement but will improve. Not going from being a 200 hitter to a 350 hitter but being that 200 hitter and getting a few more base knocks.

 

That's not improvement. That's a raise in BABIP.