Yankees 25 man roster for 2010

[bsox0407]

You think Posada is one of the smartest catchers in baseball?

 

Are you a closet Yankees fan? Jacko, is that you?

 

How can you not say that Posada is not a smart catcher?

 

I am not a Yankees but I am not super biased.

[Dipre]

How can you not say that Posada is not a smart catcher?

 

I am not a Yankees but I am not super biased.

 

Whether or not Posada is a smart catcher is inconsequential to the point at hand.

 

Cervelli is what he is, and his offense won't get much better. Stop hyping him.

[bsox0407]

Whether or not Posada is a smart catcher is inconsequential to the point at hand.

 

Cervelli is what he is, and his offense won't get much better. Stop hyping him.

 

It can't get much worse.

[Dipre]

It can't get much worse.

 

Then what exactly are you talking about?

[bsox0407]

Then what exactly are you talking about?

 

I think that since he only has 45 games of experience he will get better with help and a little more experience.

 

I didn't jump off the Pedroia ban wagon when he sucked in the first year.

[Dipre]

I think that since he only has 45 games of experience he will get better with help and a little more experience.

 

I didn't jump off the Pedroia ban wagon when he sucked in the first year.

 

Pedroia had offensive projection that Cervelli doesn't have, hence, he's also inconsequential for the purposes of this discussion.

[bsox0407]

Pedroia had offensive projection that Cervelli doesn't have' date=' hence, he's also inconsequential for the purposes of this discussion.[/quote']

 

I just Think ,which i have said before, he will improve over last year.

[Dipre]

I just Think ' date='which i have said before, he will improve over last year.[/quote']

 

But improve on what?

 

That is the question at hand.

 

He had a .682 OPS last year. Those are backup catcher numbers over 42 games. Cervelli is a backup catcher.

[bsox0407]

But improve on what?

 

That is the question at hand.

 

He had a .682 OPS last year. Those are backup catcher numbers over 42 games. Cervelli is a backup catcher.

 

Of course he is a backup. Never said he was gonna be 2010 starter but i think he will improve on is hitting. Not as being as overwhelmed by MLB pitching.

[Imperial59]

It can't get much worse.

 

Sure it could. He failed to break the Mendoza line in the lower minors earlier this year. It was a small sample size, but so is his MLB career.

[bsox0407]

Sure it could. He failed to break the Mendoza line in the lower minors earlier this year. It was a small sample size' date=' but so is his MLB career.[/b']

 

Like saying Holliday can't hit the inside FB.

[Dipre]

Of course he is a backup. Never said he was gonna be 2010 starter but i think he will improve on is hitting. Not as being as overwhelmed by MLB pitching.

 

If he could, he'd have trade value as a starter for some other team. Just sayin'.

[Emmz]

Dude, Javier Vasquez SUCKS ASS. He went 5-15 with a 6.06 ERA in 1998.

 

And don't get me started with that Curtis Granderson guy: .681 OPS in 2004!

 

They are full of suck this year! To think they wasted money on that s***!

[jacksonianmarch]

Cervelli is a backup and he's replacing Molina, who had an OPS under .600.

[Dipre]

Clearly an upgrade, but as stated before, he is what he is.

[jacksonianmarch]

exactly. Nobody should expect him to be much more than a .700OPS player at his best

[26 to 6]

So which one is it? "He will become a better player" or "we will see"?

Shut up already would you. It's clear your just looking to cause a problem. based on his 45 ML games I think it's fair to say he will be better than Molina. On that same basis I can't say how good he will be, but I speculate based on the reviews he's gotten from coaches and scouts, and what I've seen from him last year in the majors, spring training, and the WBC that he has the tools to maybe be a decent hitter compared to the standard backup catcher. Why do you care so much?

 

If you think Cervelli will be much more than a Josh Bard you're fooling yourself.

Based on what if you don't mind me asking? Now don't get me wrong, I'm not saying he's going to turn into a top-tier everyday catcher, but I think he's got all the tools to be a consistently reliable backup catcher for several years. Every Yankee pitcher who worked with him raved about him this year, the coaching staff all said great things, and his minor league managers all have raved about his abilities behind the plate. It's hard to predict his offensive production at the major league level, but that doesn't even matter, anything he adds on offense is a bonus. The Yankees are just relying on him to be a quality defensive backup. I think he's already better defensively than Josh Bard, and I can't see bard being much better with the bat, if even at all.

 

Cervelli is what he is. A solid defensive backstop with little offensive upside.

 

He'll hit a bit better than Molina, but that's like choosing between diarrhea and constipation.

Exactly, that's all I've been trying to say. These clowns just look to argue about anything it seems.

 

If they thought he'd develop much more, do you think they'd stunt his growth by making him the backup catcher instead of letting him play more than 20 games at AAA?

Because we have guys named Montero, Romine, and Sanchez, among others in the minors who give us tremendous catching depth and who have higher ceilings than Cervelli. Cervelli doesn't project to ever be anything more than a backup catcher, so what's the problem?

 

Making straw man arguments. That how I know I got you. I never said that's the bench they'd go into the season with, I'm saying they have a lot of work to do. Nothing to get all worked up over, it's OK.

You sound almost bipolar dude. How old are you?

 

You think Posada is one of the smartest catchers in baseball?

Not many people disagree. Posada might not be the best defensive catcher, but he sure is a smart one. Always thinking and always has his head in the game. Torre and Girardi, as well as most of the pitchers he's caught throughout the years have praised him. Clemens even called him the best catcher he's ever worked with.

 

I don't get what your so bitter about, why do you care so much about this? Shouldn't you be out celebrating your teams acquisition of Bill Hall or something?

 

Cervelli is what he is, and his offense won't get much better. Stop hyping him.

I don't think anyone's hyping him. All I said, and all I saw anyone else say is that he is 1) an average to above average defender, and 2) an offensive upgrade to Jose Molina, which you agreed to. The only reason this discussion has been going on so long is because imperial is a troll who needs to crawl back under his bridge.

 

If he could, he'd have trade value as a starter for some other team. Just sayin'.

Not necessarily. He doesn't project to be a staretr, and I don't think the Yanks want to trade him. Despite his lack of offense, everyone in the organization likes what he brings to the table behind the plate. That's all it is.

 

 

Can we move onto something else now?

[Dipre]

I don't think anyone's hyping him. All I said, and all I saw anyone else say is that he is 1) an average to above average defender, and 2) an offensive upgrade to Jose Molina, which you agreed to. The only reason this discussion has been going on so long is because imperial is a troll who needs to crawl back under his bridge.

 

I wasn't responding, to you i was responding to bsox, who claims he will become a better offensive player because of Posada's tutelage, and that makes no sense.

 

Not necessarily. He doesn't project to be a staretr, and I don't think the Yanks want to trade him. Despite his lack of offense, everyone in the organization likes what he brings to the table behind the plate. That's all it is.

 

 

Can we move onto something else now?

 

You took the statement completely out of context. It means that neither the Yankees nor any other team view him as a starter. They see him as what he is, a backup. In the context of the conversation, my assessment is correct, so keep it in context. And we agree on the player evaluation anyway, so the response really doesn't make much sense.

[26 to 6]

I wasn't responding, to you i was responding to bsox, who claims he will become a better offensive player because of Posada's tutelage, and that makes no sense.

 

 

 

You took the statement completely out of context. It means that neither the Yankees nor any other team view him as a starter. They see him as what he is, a backup. In the context of the conversation, my assessment is correct, so keep it in context. And we agree on the player evaluation anyway, so the response really doesn't make much sense.

On the second point, you're right, I misread what you were saying. As for him improving offensively due to his surrounding presence of guys like Posada, you can't really substantiate that, but I think it could help. If not Posada, definitely Kevin Long, who is arguably one of the best hitting coaches in the league. For a guy as young as he is I would expect some offensive improvement, nothing significant though. Truthfully I wouldn't care if he hit .150 as long as he played flawless defense.

[Dipre]

On the second point' date=' you're right, I misread what you were saying. As for him improving offensively due to his surrounding presence of guys like Posada, you can't really substantiate that, but I think it could help. If not Posada, definitely Kevin Long, who is arguably one of the best hitting coaches in the league. For a guy as young as he is I would expect [i']some[/i] offensive improvement, nothing significant though. Truthfully I wouldn't care if he hit .150 as long as he played flawless defense.

 

You can wait for the improvement. As for me, i think he is what he is. Just like many of the Sox minor leaguers (see Lowrie, Jed) i take the projections of them improving due to the lineup surrounding them or the hitting coach with a grain of salt.

[Imperial59]

Not many people disagree. Posada might not be the best defensive catcher' date=' but he sure is a smart one. Always thinking and always has his head in the game. Torre and Girardi, as well as most of the pitchers he's caught throughout the years have praised him. Clemens even called him the best catcher he's ever worked with.[/quote']

 

Can you name anything tangible that he does that shows how smart he is?

[Keeper]

Can you name anything tangible that he does that shows how smart he is?

 

This line of questioning isn't really fair. Kind of hard to provide tangible evidence for something so abstract.

[Dipre]

This line of questioning isn't really fair. Kind of hard to provide tangible evidence for something so abstract.

 

Which is why you don't try to use it as evidence for the expected improvement of a player. This was first brought up by bsox0407, who's a Red Sox fan by the way.

[Imperial59]

This line of questioning isn't really fair. Kind of hard to provide tangible evidence for something so abstract.

 

The original poster's premise isn't just that Posada's one of the smartest catchers in baseball. But that he's such a smart catcher and great mentor that he will tangibly improve Francisco Cervelli. I agree, it's very abstract.

[jacksonianmarch]

Its a stupid premise. He obviously is a smart catcher. I dont know if he's smarter than most, but he's definitely not stupid.

[Imperial59]

I dont know if he's smarter than most' date=' but he's definitely not stupid.[/quote']

 

Do you know him personally, or are you basing this all off of what his coaches/teammates have said?

[Emmz]

I don't see how this is really going to make any sort of impact, even if he is smart.

[Imperial59]

I don't see how this is really going to make any sort of impact' date=' even if he is smart.[/quote']

 

Yeah, that's pretty much my point. Jorge Posada could be the most incitement catcher in baseball, how's that going to make Cervelli a decent hitter?

[Emmz]

Yeah... And there's not really any sound proof behind the statement, so you really can't use it for argument's sake.

[jacksonianmarch]

Yeah' date=' that's pretty much my point. Jorge Posada could be the most incitement catcher in baseball, how's that going to make Cervelli a decent hitter?[/quote']

 

Speaking of smart, the above statement makes absolutely no sense. Did you mean to say insightful?