Yankees sign Nick Johnson to 1 yr deal

[jacksonianmarch]

 

twitter, but thus far he's been spot on. 1yr, $5.5 mil pending a physical. This is a gold-mine type signing so long as he stays healthy in the DH role. A guy who put up a .426OBP last season would be dynamite in the 2 hole in this lineup.

[diony]

Great move. Our lineup is now younger, very flexible and deep.

 

1. Jeter

2. Johnson

3. Tex

4. A-Rod

5. Posada

6. Granderson

7. Swisher

8. Cano

9. Gardbrera

 

Now all we need is an OF bat from the bench. I'd want Eric Hinske back. I wouldn't mind Rick Ankiel, to provide some depth behind Melky/Gardy.

[jacksonianmarch]

We arent getting Ankiel, he's gonna be expensive, AND, he's redundant as another LH hitter. I think this move here makes Jamie Hoffman much more likely to stick around. Lots of LH hitters in positions that he frequents. Gardner, Granderson, and Johnson in the lineup may mean a lot of PH and spot starting opportunities for a RHH who kills lefties

[diony]

We arent getting Ankiel' date=' he's gonna be expensive, AND, he's redundant as another LH hitter. I think this move here makes Jamie Hoffman much more likely to stick around. Lots of LH hitters in positions that he frequents. Gardner, Granderson, and Johnson in the lineup may mean a lot of PH and spot starting opportunities for a RHH who kills lefties[/quote']

 

Johnson can hit lefties better than righties. Agree on the others. We don't know if Hoffman is going to pan out, by the way BA rated him as the Yankees best defensive OF prospect. What about the X-Man?

[jacksonianmarch]

Xavier is gonna look for a starting gig, something we arent and shouldnt offer. Melky and Gardner made strides last yr, and cutting them completely out of our plans means not maximizing value of two potentially important commodities. I think they get one more season. If Melky doesnt get that OPS to .800 or Gardner doesnt take the reigns and have an OBP in the .360+ range, then we'll make a big signing next FA period (like Crawford). But if one of them pans out, then we wont need to

[Dipre]

Xavier is gonna look for a starting gig' date=' something we arent and shouldnt offer. Melky and Gardner made strides last yr, and cutting them completely out of our plans means not maximizing value of two potentially important commodities. I think they get one more season. If Melky doesnt get that OPS to .800 or Gardner doesnt take the reigns and have an OBP in the .360+ range, then we'll make a big signing next FA period (like Crawford). But if one of them pans out, then we wont need to[/quote']

 

Honest question: What leads you to believe Melky can be an .800 OPS hitter in the Majors?

[jacksonianmarch]

Personally, I dont think he will. He's shown flashes of power and good contact skills, but he is just way too streaky. But he's also 25, so he's still young. I won't rule it out, but I wont hold my breath waiting. He'll get one more season in the 9 hole to prove he can play in the bigs as a regular. Otherwise, I'd cut bait

[26 to 6]

 

Good s***!

[Dipre]

Personally' date=' I dont think he will. He's shown flashes of power and good contact skills, but he is just way too streaky. But he's also 25, so he's still young. I won't rule it out, but I wont hold my breath waiting. He'll get one more season in the 9 hole to prove he can play in the bigs as a regular. Otherwise, I'd cut bait[/quote']

 

 

Sensible position.

 

 

 

Good s***!

 

Refer to my last post on the Yankees offseason thread.

[26 to 6]

Refer to my last post on the Yankees offseason thread.

I was in a rush I didn't have the time to type up a big fancy analysis of the move, I just came and quickly expressed my satisfaction with the move, and left. This isn't a classroom it's a f***ing message board dude.

[jacksonianmarch]

So the lineup is probably finalized. Here's my take on it...

 

1. Jeter SS

2. Johnson DH

3. Teixeira 1B

4. Rodriguez 3B

5. Granderson CF

6. Posada C

7. Cano 2B

8. Swisher RF

9. Cabrera LF

 

R-L-S-R-L-S-L-S-S. That's a nightmare of versatility. Plus, going over the numbers for these guys is just flat out ridiculous. Tex will have a runner on base 66% of the time when he comes to the dish. The chance of a 1-2-3 inning in the first is right at 20% with Johnson there and lower if Tex regains his .400OBP. Every 6th game or so, NY will lead off the game with runners on 1st AND 2nd. Johnson's OBP combined with his contact skill in that #2 hole will be a f***ing nightmare for opposing teams. He also hits lefties better than righties, so platooning isnt needed unless they just want to get someone ABs. Man, I love this move assuming they can keep him healthy at the DH spot.

[Spudboy]

 

twitter, but thus far he's been spot on. 1yr, $5.5 mil pending a physical. This is a gold-mine type signing so long as he stays healthy in the DH role. A guy who put up a .426OBP last season would be dynamite in the 2 hole in this lineup.

 

I just jizzed in my pants.

[jacksonianmarch]

This might be the best lineup we've had in a LOOONG time. I fully expect Granderson and Johnson to out-WAR Matsui and Damon at a fraction of their total cost.

[jacksonianmarch]

The inevitable comparison, might as well start it. Strictly offense now...

 

1. Jeter vs Ellsbury- Jeter, no question

2. Johnson vs Pedroia- Push- Pedroia offered a bit more power in 2009, but Johnson crushed him in OBP, which as a 2 hitter is probably more important than SLG

3. Teixeira vs Martinez- Tex, no question

4. Rodriguez vs Youkilis- Push. Youk had a slightly better yr in 2009, but ARod has a clean bill of health now and after his initial adjustment period (which was his ST since he was hurt), nobody was better

5. Posada vs Ortiz- Push. Ortiz sucked in the first 2 months while Posada was as consistent as they come. Career, Ortiz is the better hitter and both are due to decline as age becomes a factor.

6. Granderson vs Drew- Drew is the better OBP machine, Granderson was the better power hitter last season. Granderson brings more to the table in terms of overall game, but a .900OPS cannot be ignored

7. Swisher vs Cameron- Swisher has it. Both hit for low averages, both his 20+ homers and both K a ton. Swisher is more versatile as a switch hitter and hits for a little more power and walks a little more.

8. Cano vs Kotchmann- Cano by a lot

9. Cabrera vs Scutaro- Push. The battle for the tallest midget is on. Neither should be expected to be offensive forces. Scutaro comes off the better offensive yr, but Cabrera is 9 yrs younger and has more offensive potential. Regardless, their questionmarks offset each other to a push

[ORS]

Do you ever get tired of being a Category 5 douchebag?

 

Just wondering.

[jacksonianmarch]

Good to see you brought something to this post ORS. I have come to expect this type of BS from you.

[ORS]

It's what you are, Jack. You should expect it.

[jacksonianmarch]

Again, brilliant addition to the post ORS. You paint yourself as this smart, well-informed poster on this site, but you are nothing but a troll. And the funny thing is, you contradict yourself constantly. Then when you get called out for it, you deny, deny deny. Even when proof is provided. y228 had you dead to rights, the only thing that persistently saves you is the fact that this is a sox board. So the populace puts up with your crap.

 

I see no harm in this thread. Its in the yankee forum, which was created for any and all yankee discussion. A good thing happened today from a yankee perspective, and most of the yankee fans here like it. No need to be a dick and rain on the parade.

 

That being said, if you have any further stunning or enlightening analysis, feel free to share. Your contribution has been most inflammatory thus far, but I am sure you can turn it around champ.

 

BTW, for the mods, does his inital post exhibit an example of an inflammatory post? Shouldn't that require a short vacation for our enlightened friend?

[ORS]

There's nothing to turn around. You are a douchebag. Plain an simple. You've been shown the double standard you apply for the two teams on numerous occassions, you've been respectfully shown the gross errors in your thought process time and time again, and nothing has changed. It's still all about you telling us how great everything Yankee is and how awful everything Red Sox is. You aren't here for discussion, you are here for discontent.

 

Therefore, I'm not engaging in discussion, and I'm returning the discontent. I make no apologyfor nor will I attempt to qualify what I'm doing here. I'm actively name calling, because I feel it's the only appropriate response to your posts.

[Spudboy]

A good thing happened today from a yankee perspective, and most of the yankee fans here like it. No need to be a dick and rain on the parade.

 

How is this any different than you raining on the Sox fans parade when it was anounced that Ellsbury won award today?

 

I mean, the pendulum has clearly swung in the Yankees favor with this stunning 1yr/5.5 mil accusation of a gimp dh.

 

 

Oh, Yankee's forum or not, this remains a Sox board, I believe.

[Emmz]

The inevitable comparison, might as well start it. Strictly offense now...

 

1. Jeter vs Ellsbury- Jeter, no question

2. Johnson vs Pedroia- Push- Pedroia offered a bit more power in 2009, but Johnson crushed him in OBP, which as a 2 hitter is probably more important than SLG

3. Teixeira vs Martinez- Tex, no question

4. Rodriguez vs Youkilis- Push. Youk had a slightly better yr in 2009, but ARod has a clean bill of health now and after his initial adjustment period (which was his ST since he was hurt), nobody was better

5. Posada vs Ortiz- Push. Ortiz sucked in the first 2 months while Posada was as consistent as they come. Career, Ortiz is the better hitter and both are due to decline as age becomes a factor.

6. Granderson vs Drew- Drew is the better OBP machine, Granderson was the better power hitter last season. Granderson brings more to the table in terms of overall game, but a .900OPS cannot be ignored

7. Swisher vs Cameron- Swisher has it. Both hit for low averages, both his 20+ homers and both K a ton. Swisher is more versatile as a switch hitter and hits for a little more power and walks a little more.

8. Cano vs Kotchmann- Cano by a lot

9. Cabrera vs Scutaro- Push. The battle for the tallest midget is on. Neither should be expected to be offensive forces. Scutaro comes off the better offensive yr, but Cabrera is 9 yrs younger and has more offensive potential. Regardless, their questionmarks offset each other to a push

 

Did you actually push Johnson and Pedroia? Pedroia actually has the ability to play a full season, and their OPS are comparable.

[26 to 6]

Oh, Yankee's forum or not, this remains a Sox board, I believe.

So whats your point, we have no rights here? It's a Yankee forum where we should be free to discuss Yankee related happenings. We're always painted as these extremely biased pinstriped trolls who contribute nothing to the board, but SOME (not all) of you guys should look in the mirror next time. We don't just come here to stir up trouble, and keep in mind it takes two sides to form a conflict or argument, and believe it or not we're not ALWAYS the ones to blame. Jacko posted a reasonable comparison of the lineups and got flamed by ORS. If a Yankee fan made the same remarks there would be consequences. If ORS isn't temporarily banned, or at the very least warned I'll have a hard time taking the rules here seriously and will thus look at the enforcers of these rules in a new light.

 

Back to the point though, ORS, what's your beef with his comparison. Most of it seemed very reasonably accurate to me. If you would like to counter with your own comparison then by all means, that's what engages good discussion. That's what we're all here for, right?

[Emmz]

So whats your point, we have no rights here? It's a Yankee forum where we should be free to discuss Yankee related happenings. We're always painted as these extremely biased pinstriped trolls who contribute nothing to the board, but SOME (not all) of you guys should look in the mirror next time. We don't just come here to stir up trouble, and keep in mind it takes two sides to form a conflict or argument, and believe it or not we're not ALWAYS the ones to blame. Jacko posted a reasonable comparison of the lineups and got flamed by ORS. If a Yankee fan made the same remarks there would be consequences. If ORS isn't temporarily banned, or at the very least warned I'll have a hard time taking the rules here seriously and will thus look at the enforcers of these rules in a new light.

 

Back to the point though, ORS, what's your beef with his comparison. Most of it seemed very reasonably accurate to me. If you would like to counter with your own comparison then by all means, that's what engages good discussion. That's what we're all here for, right?

 

I think the biggest problem with that was the amount of pushes... I mean, Johnson and Pedroia? Really?

[a700hitter]

Did you actually push Johnson and Pedroia? Pedroia actually has the ability to play a full season' date=' and their OPS are comparable.[/quote']And Ortiz - Posada is a push? Ridiculous. Ortiz ahd two or three years where his accumulated numbers eclipse Posada's career numbers.

[26 to 6]

Did you actually push Johnson and Pedroia? Pedroia actually has the ability to play a full season' date=' and their OPS are comparable.[/quote']

I agree. Without all of the explanation here's what I personally think in comparing the lineups, based solely on offense and their position in the lineup.

 

Jeter/Ellsbury: Jeter

Johnson/Pedroia: Pedroia

Tex/V-Mart: Tex

A-Rod/Youkilis: A-Rod

Posada/Ortiz: Wash

Granderson/Drew: Drew, but not by much

Swisher/Cameron: Wash

Cano/Kotchman: Cano

Melky/Scutaro: Wash

 

Of course this is with the rosters as-is, a lot can change between now and opening day as I doubt neither of these teams are done assembling their rosters.

[26 to 6]

And Ortiz - Posada is a push? Ridiculous. Ortiz ahd two or three years where his accumulated numbers eclipse Posada's career numbers.

Yeah but you can't objectively make these comparisons based on the past. Based on last year and their projections going forward I think it's more than fair to call Posada/Ortiz a wash. I personally might even take Posada because he's a switch-hitter, but that may just be some Yankee bias coming out. I'm sure you Sox fans would prefer Ortiz too. The opinion of a neutral party would be much more reliable.

[ORS]

An appeal to the "rules" and moderating staff? Please, it was just a short while ago that the new "rules" were announced and diony was shown the door. He's back. That tells me there are no rules here.

 

As for the analysis, it's less about who he favored than it is about how it's communicated. Drew is "no question" better than Granderson. His OPS had a larger margin over Granderson's than Jeter did over Ellsbury, or Teixieira did over Martinez, but he was very dismissive of the comparisons to the Yankees and made it seem like Drew just barely got the edge over Granderson. That's not a fair analysis, and the dismissiveness is really what that "analysis" was all about.

[Emmz]

Yeah but you can't objectively make these comparisons based on the past. Based on last year and their projections going forward I think it's more than fair to call Posada/Ortiz a wash. I personally might even take Posada because he's a switch-hitter' date=' but that may just be some Yankee bias coming out. I'm sure you Sox fans would prefer Ortiz too. The opinion of a neutral party would be much more reliable.[/quote']

 

I think everything after the first couple of months of Ortiz is more likely what you'll see, and that's someone who's probably slightly superior to Posada. In my opinion, that's Ortiz, but like you said, I'm a Sox fan, so it's hard to say. It's not a huge superiority, but I think in Jacko's mind, Ortiz's first two months of the season is going to be a continuing trend, as he'd shown in a previous thread.

[Spudboy]

So whats your point, we have no rights here? It's a Yankee forum where we should be free to discuss Yankee related happenings. We're always painted as these extremely biased pinstriped trolls who contribute nothing to the board, but SOME (not all) of you guys should look in the mirror next time. We don't just come here to stir up trouble, and keep in mind it takes two sides to form a conflict or argument, and believe it or not we're not ALWAYS the ones to blame. Jacko posted a reasonable comparison of the lineups and got flamed by ORS. If a Yankee fan made the same remarks there would be consequences. If ORS isn't temporarily banned, or at the very least warned I'll have a hard time taking the rules here seriously and will thus look at the enforcers of these rules in a new light.

 

Back to the point though, ORS, what's your beef with his comparison. Most of it seemed very reasonably accurate to me. If you would like to counter with your own comparison then by all means, that's what engages good discussion. That's what we're all here for, right?

 

My point is very basic. I'm sorry it soared over your head.

 

I merely pointed out the bias and inequity of dumping on a Sox player receiving an award and almost within the same breath claiming foul when a Sox fan does the same about something the Yankee fans feel good about. Any adult, for that matter, anyone over 6 years old, can see the hipocracy and bias here.

 

As well, Yankee fans are afforded the same latitude as Sox fans on Talksox. Everyone can be a troll or flamer and get away with it to some extent. You should know this. You are involved with some of it too.

 

As far as banning ORS is concerned, well, I would say 5-6 of the regular posting members should be banned if his alleged infraction warrants a ban. This would include some Yankee fans, obviously.

[Keeper]

Kotchman won't be in the starting lineup when the season starts. At least he'd better not be. While the Yankees may have a slight edge in their lineup, their rotation doesn't stack up anymore.