Report: Tigers close to dealing Curtis Granderson to New York Yankees in a 3 way deal

[example1]

I hope the Yankees are going to pay a lot for Granderson. I agree with those who think he's somewhat overrated, but he's flashy enough and plays an important enough role on his current team to cost a lot.

 

I really hope the Yankees give up Phil Hughes, but I'd be shocked if they did.

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See I kinda hope we don't get him at all. He's a nice player, but I think with Melky already there and A-Jax looming in the wings there's really no room for him. He's not a viable COF candidate when A-Jax comes up, and he would probably cost us too much. I would pass.

[redsoxrevenge]

Granderson is a stud. 30 HR power, plays outstanding defense in CF, and is in the prime of his career. He probably isn't as bad against LHP as he was in 2009, which pulled his numbers down. Even if his OPS is in the .830 range, he is still a top 5 CF in the game.

 

If the Yankees just have to give up Hughes, they are getting away with robbery. He'd knock the piss out of the ball in Yankee Stadium. Red Sox should be in pursuit.

[redsoxrevenge]

Granderson's 30 HR bat makes much more sense in a corner.

 

Why minimize one of his best tools? He can really go get it in CF. Melky's a fat f***. He's the one that should play LF, or sit on the bench.

[Gom]

This deal, as structured, is not going to happen.

 

I'm not a prospect guy, but giving up four prospects for a one-dimensional player is not worth it.

[jacksonianmarch]

Looks like Cashman is putting the kaibosh on this one for now. The overall net net would be..

 

Yankees giving up:

Austin Jackson, Ian Kennedy, Phil Coke, and Michael Dunn

 

Yankees getting:

Curtis Granderson and 2 prospects not named from Arizona

 

I understand the logic behind passing on him. Internal discussions have Jackson as actually a more complete player rather than a platoon player and giving him up plus 2 lefty relievers and a top pitching prospect in Kennedy is highway robbery. Also, Granderson strikes out a ton and has never hit lefties well at all. Now, it depends on who the two prospects were, but I see why they passed.

 

Its also very easy to bash the Yankees on this one. Granderson was an automatic out vs lefties in 2009 but he did have one season (2008) where he wasnt completely abysmal (.739OPS). Also, he provides above average D from an up the middle position and adds speed as well. Plus, he hit 30 homers in the spacious Tiger stadium. A move to NY could have seen him hitting 35 or more homers from the top of the order.

 

Regardless, I figured that we'd have to go with Jackson plus prospects to get Granderson. Personally, this is about what I expected. And I can understand those who bash this passing and I can understand why we passed. I also dont think we are too far off. Instead of Kennedy, maybe put Kontos who is recovering from TJS, or Ivan Nova into the equation and you probably have a deal

[Gom]

Jacko, it's kibosh, not kiabosh.

[jacksonianmarch]

sorry.

[rician blast]

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2 words Nate....LEFT JUSTIFIED

[Gom]

Looks like this deal is back on, possibly. Supposedly, the Tigers are willing to take a little less for Granderson.

[Dipre]

Why minimize one of his best tools? He can really go get it in CF. Melky's a fat f***. He's the one that should play LF' date=' or sit on the bench.[/quote']

 

In the context of of positional value for offense, the best idea is to keep Melky in center, and move Granderson to a corner, where his production stays above-average, instead of moving Melky, who'd be extremely below average offensively for one of the positions.

[Gom]

In the context of of positional value for offense' date=' the best idea is to keep Melky in center, and move Granderson to a corner, where his production stays above-average, instead of moving Melky, who'd be extremely below average offensively for one of the positions.[/quote']

 

Inconsequential statement. You put your best range in center. End of story.

[riverside sluggers]

Looks like this deal is back on' date=' possibly. Supposedly, the Tigers are willing to take a little less for Granderson.[/quote']

 

Like all other teams do for the Yankees

[Dipre]

Inconsequential statement. You put your best range in center. End of story.

 

I bet you haven't even thought about the fact that maybe Melky is a better defensive CF than Granderson.

 

You can't have an opinion on it, because you've barely seen Granderson and refuse to use stats.

 

Not only that, but Melky is a much better CF than COF. So it's not an easy decision to make anyway.

[jacksonianmarch]

You need to separate the defense from the offense IMO. I would rather have Granderson in CF due to his increased range, especially if we have a tank in LF. Melky is an average to slightly below avg CFer when you go by UZR and IIRC Granderson is better than average, so it makes sense to use Grandy in CF.

[Dipre]

The current rumor has the Yankees giving up four players: Austin Jackson, Michael Dunn and Phil Coke would go to Detroit, with Ian Kennedy going to Arizona.

 

Arizona would send Max Scherzer to the Tigers.

 

The Tigers would send Granderson to the Yanks and Jackson to Arizona.

 

 

Three-team blockbuster deal back on? — Updated 12:38 p.m.

 

The Tigers, Yankees and Diamondbacks are regaining momentum in their three-way trade talks at the winter meetings, multiple sources said.

 

One person went so far as to say that the teams are getting "closer" to an agreement, while another said that ideas are still being exchanged among the clubs.

 

According to a scenario described by multiple sources on Monday night, the Yankees would surrender four players in all: center fielder Austin Jackson and left-handed relievers Phil Coke and Michael Dunn to Detroit; and right-hander Ian Kennedy to Arizona.

 

Sources said Tuesday that the Diamondbacks currently aren't willing to send prospects to New York in the exchange.

 

So, it appears that Monday's proposed (but not accepted) deal was as follows:

 

# The Yankees would get Granderson from the Tigers.

 

# The Diamondbacks would get right-hander Edwin Jackson from the Tigers and Kennedy from the Yankees.

 

# The Tigers would get right-hander Max Scherzer from the Diamondbacks, and Austin Jackson, Coke and Dunn from the Yankees. -- Ken Rosenthal and Jon Paul Morosi

[Dipre]

You need to separate the defense from the offense IMO. I would rather have Granderson in CF due to his increased range' date=' especially if we have a tank in LF. Melky is an average to slightly below avg CFer when you go by UZR and IIRC Granderson is better than average, so it makes sense to use Grandy in CF.[/quote']

 

Granderson had a 1.6 UZR/150 last year, Melky had a 2.3 UZR/150 last year. You are incorrect. In 2008 Melky Cabrera was also superior to Granderson UZR wise : Granderson had a -9.4 UZR/150, Cabrera had an 0.8 UZR/150. This is why you need to check before you make the comment.

[jacksonianmarch]

a previous report had NY getting 2 prospects with Granderson. Regardless, from an organization standpoint, I dont like the move. From a 2010 standpoint, this is a great move.

[Gom]

I bet you haven't even thought about the fact that maybe Melky is a better defensive CF than Granderson.

 

You can't have an opinion on it, because you've barely seen Granderson and refuse to use stats.

 

Not only that, but Melky is a much better CF than COF. So it's not an easy decision to make anyway.

 

No..I refuse to use ERRONEOUS stats. I'm not sure of Granderson's arm, but from what I've seen, he has more range.

 

UZR and is way too inaccurate for my taste. You can choose to use a stat that lists Tex as a bad fielder, that lists Granderson having a one year shift of 10!...makes no sense to me. Of course, to you, if someone puts down a number, you'll accept it, ask no questions, and quote it as if it was scripture.

[Dipre]

No..I refuse to use ERRONEOUS stats. I'm not sure of Granderson's arm, but from what I've seen, he has more range.

 

UZR and is way too inaccurate for my taste. You can choose to use a stat that lists Tex as a bad fielder, that lists Granderson having a one year shift of 10!...makes no sense to me. Of course, to you, if someone puts down a number, you'll accept it, ask no questions, and quote it as if it was scripture.

 

I've SEEN both Granderson and Melky live. The tigers sent Granderson to the Winter Leagues and i saw him play alongside Melky (Opposing teams) , Granderson has a bit better range, but he doesn't get excellent jumps on balls, he relies a lot on his speed and athleticism. Besides that, you don't even know how UZR works, so your opinion on it is meaningless.

[Gom]

I've SEEN both Granderson and Melky live. The tigers sent Granderson to the Winter Leagues and i saw him play alongside Melky (Opposing teams) ' date=' Granderson has a bit better range, but he doesn't get excellent jumps on balls, he relies a lot on his speed and athleticism. Besides that, you don't even know how UZR works, so your opinion on it is meaningless.[/quote']

 

What I do know is that it DOESN'T work. Why bother learning about something that is obviously not accurate?

 

You talk about these formulas as if you invented them. Quite simply, they are inaccurate. They do not accurately gauge a player's defensive skill and quantify it.

 

Here is why you are an idiot. You've seen them live, playing together. You're claiming that Granderson has better range [irrespective of the reason]. It stands to reason that you would put the better range in CF and the weaker range in LF. So which one is it? Your opinion [which I agree with] or the stats, which is in contrast with what you saw [as well as what I've seen], or the defensive stats?

 

Basically, either you're an idiot who doesn't understand the game, and whose opinions on scouting are completely wrong and off-base, and your personal analysis is dogshit and should be completely ignored from here on, or the formula is ineffective and not accurate enough within the realm of acceptable error, and should be, at best, taken with a grain of salt...if that.

 

Pick a side, lawyer boy. This should be good.

[Dipre]

What I do know is that it DOESN'T work. Why bother learning about something that is obviously not accurate?

 

You talk about these formulas as if you invented them. Quite simply, they are inaccurate. They do not accurately gauge a player's defensive skill and quantify it.

 

Here is why you are an idiot. You've seen them live, playing together. You're claiming that Granderson has better range [irrespective of the reason]. It stands to reason that you would put the better range in CF and the weaker range in LF.

 

So which one is it? Your opinion [which I agree with] or the stats, which is in contrast with what you saw [as well as what I've seen], or the defensive stats?

 

This should be good.

 

Talking about idiocy yet he doesn't understand the simple concept that OF defense does not constitute range alone.

 

Listen, go watch a sport like golf, since you clearly don't know anything about baseball. Go hate on Tiger Woods or something.

 

Question for my viewers here: Who had better range in the OF, Andruw Jones or Juan Pierre? Who was the better CF?

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In the context of of positional value for offense' date=' the best idea is to keep Melky in center, and move Granderson to a corner, where his production stays above-average, instead of moving Melky, who'd be extremely below average offensively for one of the positions.[/quote']

How is Granderson's production above average in a corner spot?

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So apparently this thing is pretty close, and a decision from the Yankees as to whether or not to pull the trigger is expected by 2 pm.

[Dipre]

How is Granderson's production above average in a corner spot?

 

Put it into context. If the Yankees play him against RHP almost exclusively, he could still eclipse the 30 HR mark in NYS. How many corner outfielders can hit 30 HR's and OPS way above .900? (Granderson's career mark against RHP is .940).

[Gom]

Talking about idiocy yet he doesn't understand the simple concept that OF defense does not constitute range alone.

 

Listen, go watch a sport like golf, since you clearly don't know anything about baseball. Go hate on Tiger Woods or something.

 

Question for my viewers here: Who had better range in the OF, Andruw Jones or Juan Pierre? Who was the better CF?

 

Ok, dipshit...according to Range factor, who had better range, the last two years?

 

Cabrera. So...the question again:

 

Basically, either you're an idiot who doesn't understand the game, and whose opinions on scouting are completely wrong and off-base, and your personal analysis is dogshit and should be completely ignored from here on, or the formula is ineffective and not accurate enough within the realm of acceptable error, and should be, at best, taken with a grain of salt...if that.

 

Pick a side, lawyer boy. This should be good.

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Put it into context. If the Yankees play him against RHP almost exclusively' date=' he could still eclipse the 30 HR mark in NYS. How many corner outfielders can hit 30 HR's and OPS way above .900? (Granderson's career mark against RHP is .940).[/quote']

Yeah but if you play him exclusively against righties, he may not get enough ABs to hit 30 home runs. And versus lefties he absolutely sucks. I agree though, after just reviewing his numbers, against righties in this park he could be pretty damn good with the bat.

[Dipre]

Yeah but if you play him exclusively against righties' date=' he may not get enough ABs to hit 30 home runs. And versus lefties he absolutely sucks. I agree though, after just reviewing his numbers, against righties in this park he could be pretty damn good with the bat.[/quote']

 

I think he could. Remember that most of the pitchers in this league are RHP. Last year, out of his 30 homers, only 2 came off of LHP.

[Gom]

If the Yankees do make the deal, it will end the Damon era in New York. I like Damon, but let's see Boras get him the 4 years, 52 million he's preaching. He's more likely to end up with a deal closer to 5.2 million than 52 million.

 

Dipre...which one is it, by the way.

 

The funny thing is I am defending your scouting ability, and you're calling me an idiot.

[BoSox21]

Heyman says the deal is a go pending on medicals