When will JD get his Due?

[Jacoby_Ellsbury]

LOL

Oh do explain.

[rhet]

Oh do explain.

 

Not going there again. Just consider me part of the 99.999% of baseball fans who know that scoring runs is more important than simply getting on base.

[Jacoby_Ellsbury]

Not going there again. Just consider me part of the 99.999% of baseball fans who know that scoring runs is more important than simply getting on base.

 

Oh good one, how about the fact that RBI when it comes to individual player analysis is as unreliable as it gets? Just because RBI's are issued to a player via an idiotic scoring system doesn't mean they're deserving of them. Players are unduly credited for this, when they have zero control over it. Every last RBI situation is sheer luck.

 

To the RBI geeks, the following must all be true:

-Player X did a lesser job if he gets a bases-empty base hit, than if he got a base hit with a runner in scoring position. Player X is at fault for runners not being on base.

-Player X did a lesser job if he hits a solo home run as opposed to a three run home run. Player X is at fault for runners not being on base.

-If Kevin Youkilis hits a left-center double at Fenway, and Dustin Pedroia was on first and went to third, Youkilis somehow did a lesser job than if Ellsbury was on first, and scored on said double. Youkilis should have used his magic powers to warp Ellsbury to first in Pedroia's place.

-Player X succeeded if he hits a grounder to second with a fast runner on third. Even though he made an out, he still succeeded.

 

You believe in RBI as a legitamite way to analyze a player, you think the above actually holds any water and makes sense in this dimension. Which is hilarious.

 

And the 99.999% has gone down quite a bit since 1970 or so. Baseball fans actually think for themselves now as opposed to listening to dullf***s like John Kruk and Fernando Vina.

 

As for the second half of that Einsteinean equation, how can not making outs ever, ever be a bad thing? Are you seriously going to tell me that a walk is a lesser, inferior accomplishment than a grounder to second that happened to plate a runner from third?

[Cocos Disciples]

Not going there again. Just consider me part of the 99.999% of baseball fans who know that scoring runs is more important than simply getting on base.

 

The General Manager of your favorite baseball team disagrees with you.

[Jacoby_Ellsbury]

The General Manager of your favorite baseball team disagrees with you.

Theo's an uneducated excel addict who wants to blow Bill James. He's worthless.

[rhet]

The General Manager of your favorite baseball team disagrees with you.

 

Not true.

 

He knows, as do I, that a base hit with a runner on third is ALWAYS better than a walk.

 

He knows, as do I, that a sac fly is almost always better than a walk.

 

He knows, as do I, that scoring runs wins games, walks don't. Walks are a component of an offense, not the goal. An RBI is ALWAYS better than a walk.

[Jacoby_Ellsbury]

Not true.

 

Very true.

 

He knows, as do I, that a base hit with a runner on third is ALWAYS better than a walk.

 

That's why he signed J.D. Drew.

 

He knows, as do I, that a sac fly is almost always better than a walk.

 

wut

 

He knows, as do I, that scoring runs wins games, walks don't. Walks are a component of an offense, not the goal.

 

Go to ESPN/foxsports/your site of choice, go to stats, find MLB team batting, and tell me which other stat most closely matches up with a team's runs scored. Off you go.

 

An RBI is ALWAYS better than a walk.

 

I don't even know what macro to use for this post.

[Jacoby_Ellsbury]

Care to respond my other post, by the way?

[Spudboy]

Holy f***ing s*** here we go again.

 

 

THE YANKEES KNEW HOW MUCH TEX WOULD IMPROVE THE SOX LINEUP, AS WELL AS THEIRS. AS A RESULT, ESPECIALLY WITH ALL THE MONEY THEY HAD COMING OFF THE BOOKS, THEY WOULD HAVE TOPPED ANY OFFER THE SOX MADE UNTIL THE PRICE GOT LAUGHABLY RIDICULOUS AND TEX WOULD BE A HINDRANCE TO THE RED SOX NO MATTER WHAT HE PRODUCED ON THE FIELD. IF I SAY IT LOUDER WILL IT REGISTER WITH PEOPLE?

 

 

There is no 'defeat' here. Tex signed with a team that can comfortably fork out obscene contracts at their leisure. That's it, that's all, stop talking about it.

 

 

I think everyone else on this thread should eat more Buffalo Chicken and Potato wedges.

 

J_E makes sense.

 

Besides, it was ultimately not about money. Horseface succumbed to the ultimate force.

The desire for pussy.

[Spudboy]

Theo's an uneducated excel addict who wants to blow Bill James. He's worthless.

 

My sarcasm detector is on the fritz.

 

With that in mind, didn't Theo graduate from Harvard?

[Jacoby_Ellsbury]

My sarcasm detector is on the fritz.

 

With that in mind, didn't Theo graduate from Harvard?

This is basebawl! What the hell would a scholaship from Hayverd do for you here?! This a game for men, not little poindexter nerd boys who think they have somethin to say about buildin a ball klub!

[Spudboy]

This is basebawl! What the hell would a scholaship from Hayverd do for you here?! This a game for men' date=' not little poindexter nerd boys who think they have somethin to say about buildin a ball klub![/quote']

 

I see wisdom in this post.

[Dipre]

Not going there again. Just consider me part of the 99.999% of baseball fans who know that scoring runs is more important than simply getting on base.

 

Then here comes the question of the thread.

 

Bear with me here.......but how the f*** do you score runs if you don't get on base?

[Jacoby_Ellsbury]

Then here comes the question of the thread.

 

Bear with me here.......but how the f*** do you score runs if you don't get on base?

Magic.

[Dipre]

Magic.

 

Ah, i see.

 

It all makes sense now.

[Jacoby_Ellsbury]

Ah, i see.

 

It all makes sense now.

Getting on base doesn't matter as long you can get those ribeez, lad. Baseball 101

[Dipre]

Getting on base doesn't matter as long you can get those ribeez' date=' lad. Baseball 101[/quote']

 

I see the light.

 

My entire premise about baseball has been wrong all this time.

 

Damn my ignorance.

[Spudboy]

I see the light.

 

My entire premise about baseball has been wrong all this time.

 

Damn my ignorance.

 

No one will hold it against you.

 

Third world resident and all.

[Dipre]

No one will hold it against you.

 

Third world resident and all.

 

Well at least here in the third world we know that in baseball, you need to get on base to score runs, even if we're playing with a broomstick and a ball made of old socks.

[Spudboy]

Well at least here in the third world we know that in baseball' date=' you need to get on base to score runs, even if we're playing with a broomstick and a ball made of old socks.[/quote']

 

And dead chickens as bases.

[Dipre]

And dead chickens as bases.

 

Still you know, i'm young enough to run past the dead chickens without popping a disk.

 

Doubt you can say the same.

[BSN07]

I thought Theo graduated from Yale?:dunno:

[Cocos Disciples]

Not true.

 

He knows, as do I, that a base hit with a runner on third is ALWAYS better than a walk.

 

He knows, as do I, that a sac fly is almost always better than a walk.

 

He knows, as do I, that scoring runs wins games, walks don't. Walks are a component of an offense, not the goal. An RBI is ALWAYS better than a walk.

 

Those are specific situations, we're talking about RBIs as a statistic for an individual player.

 

This is literally what Theo Epstein said. I am not making any of these words up:

 

“You guys can talk about RBIs if you want, I just … we ignore them in the front office … and I think we’ve built some pretty good offensive clubs. If you want to talk about RBIs at all, talk about it as a percentage of opportunity but it’s just simply not a way or something we use to evaluate offensive players.”

[redsoxrules]

Not true.

 

He knows, as do I, that a base hit with a runner on third is ALWAYS better than a walk.

 

He knows, as do I, that a sac fly is almost always better than a walk.

 

He knows, as do I, that scoring runs wins games, walks don't. Walks are a component of an offense, not the goal. An RBI is ALWAYS better than a walk.

 

WHAT THE f***?

 

you're telling that if you have a man on 3rd with no outs that you would rather hit a sac fly than walking ? f*** I'm glad your not the general manager of the Red Sox

 

you do realized by hitting the sac fly you now have the bases emtpy with 1 outs

If you walk you have 1st and 3rd and a heck of chance for a big inning rather than that lone run

 

 

the only way your logic would apply is if it was bottom of the 9th and a tie game

but even so, if you dont have a pitch to hit you talk the walk

[rhet]

The Red Sox had 822 RBIs this year.

 

9 JD Drews in the lineup would net 612 RBIs. Sub standard.

[Jacoby_Ellsbury]

The Red Sox had 822 RBIs this year.

 

9 JD Drews in the lineup would net 612 RBIs. Sub standard.

Fail.

 

 

Seriously, how's about addressing the shitload of evidence in this thread against this asinine theory of yours? As opposed to just clinging to it and covering your ears whenever someone makes a logical point or twenty against it?

[redsoxrules]

The Red Sox had 822 RBIs this year.

 

9 JD Drews in the lineup would net 612 RBIs. Sub standard.

 

9 JD drews would amount to WAY more runs than that

 

more like 900+ runs if not 1000

[BigPapiEnFuego]

This is a stupid arguement.

[Jacoby_Ellsbury]

9 JD drews would amount to WAY more runs than that

 

more like 900+ runs if not 1000

RBI >>>> runs, slugger.

[Cocos Disciples]

The Red Sox had 822 RBIs this year.

 

9 JD Drews in the lineup would net 612 RBIs. Sub standard.

 

This is completely dishonest and a logical fallacy. You should really listen to Theo's statement in the OP of the thread. He put it better than any of us can.