TO

[RWTP24]

Ok, I did not see a thread about him, so I am going to start one.

 

I really like his ability to play football, but why can't he keep his f&cking mouth shut and just play football?? He could have been one of the all time great players if he did not piss off everyone in sight and rip teams apart.

 

Anyhow, with all that said, if TO had the personality of anyone else, would you want him on your team??

 

What do you guys think?

[BSN07]

Ok this belongs in "other sports"

 

 

TO is a attention seeking douche bag . He's a diva WR(where the divas usually play). He plays on an Island and this causes a me first mentality. Couple that with a frail ego and a constant need to be reassured, it's an recipe for 7-11 mouth.

 

There was no disputing his on the field skills in his prime though. Guy was a beast.

 

I still wouldn't want him on my team though.

[Emmz]

For starters, he's not even that great anymore, he's a good receiver don't get me wrong, but he's not that guy who can back up his trash-talking s***-starting ways. He's a polarizing presence as well, because there are players who will go along with him if he ever has a dispute with anyone on the team, which effects the team's play on-field

 

Overall, I really don't think any teams should be taking the risk of having TO when he isn't half the player he used to be. But yet, they always do, TO always has a team to go to

[RWTP24]

Damn, you are RIGHT...

 

I am sure Yeszir will be nice enough to move it for me.

[The_Destroyah]

I love me some me!!

[Jacoby_Ellsbury]

Don't care.

[yankees228]

Ok this belongs in "other sports"

 

 

TO is a attention seeking douche bag . He's a diva WR(where the divas usually play). He plays on an Island and this causes a me first mentality. Couple that with a frail ego and a constant need to be reassured, it's an recipe for 7-11 mouth.

 

There was no disputing his on the field skills in his prime though. Guy was a beast.

 

I still wouldn't want him on my team though.

 

Not only is he a terrific talent on the field, but his effort is also off the charts. You can say what you want about Owens off the field, but between the lines, the talent and effort is all there.

[The_Destroyah]

Not only is he a terrific talent on the field' date=' but his effort is also off the charts. You can say what you want about Owens off the field, but between the lines, the talent and effort is all there.[/quote']

 

they showed him laying a tackle on an interception last year and he had to cover half the field to get it, the dude plays hard even if he is a jackass, not to mention he draws coverage from secondaries so it opens up other options for teams.

[Emmz]

He does play hard, but his talent isn't at the level it used to be. Sorry. TO's being a jackass isn't worth the trade-off

 

There's a lot of guys who put in top-notch effort, maybe not as talented, but there are more talented receivers out there as well

 

Finally, almost all receivers, even at the high school level, are divas. My friends who played receiver were always divas who shot their mouths off and thought they were hot, but TO stands out amongst all of them, as the biggest ******* in the NFL. No one likes him

[The_Destroyah]

He does play hard, but his talent isn't at the level it used to be. Sorry. TO's being a jackass isn't worth the trade-off

 

There's a lot of guys who put in top-notch effort, maybe not as talented, but there are more talented receivers out there as well

 

Finally, almost all receivers, even at the high school level, are divas. My friends who played receiver were always divas who shot their mouths off and thought they were hot, but TO stands out amongst all of them, as the biggest ******* in the NFL. No one likes him

 

Ocho-Cinco hopes one day that people will see him and say, "there goes the biggest ass hole that ever lived"

[yankees228]

they showed him laying a tackle on an interception last year and he had to cover half the field to get it' date=' the dude plays hard even if he is a jackass, not to mention he draws coverage from secondaries so it opens up other options for teams.[/quote']

 

I think I know what play you're talking about, and I use it in my arguments sometimes. Kilo should be able to support this. It was week 3 (I believe) at Green Bay, and a ball intended for Owens was picked off in the end zone. Owens tackled the defensive player at midfield on the opposite side of the field.

[yankees228]

He does play hard, but his talent isn't at the level it used to be. Sorry. TO's being a jackass isn't worth the trade-off

 

There's a lot of guys who put in top-notch effort, maybe not as talented, but there are more talented receivers out there as well

 

Finally, almost all receivers, even at the high school level, are divas. My friends who played receiver were always divas who shot their mouths off and thought they were hot, but TO stands out amongst all of them, as the biggest ******* in the NFL. No one likes him

 

He wins where he goes. He gets to Dallas and they make the playoffs his first year, and then progress to being the best team in the NFC the next year. When he got to Philadelphia they made the Super Bowl (even though he didn't play in the playoffs).

 

Also, in terms of his dedication to his team, the guy played in the Super Bowl while he was still recovering from a broken leg. He put his career on the line to try and help his team win the Super Bowl.

[The_Destroyah]

I think I know what play you're talking about' date=' and I use it in my arguments sometimes. Kilo should be able to support this. It was week 3 (I believe) at Green Bay, and a ball intended for Owens was picked off in the end zone. Owens tackled the defensive player at midfield on the opposite side of the field.[/quote']

 

it was a nice tackle too, Im a Cowboys fan so TO ticked me off alot last year but I never questioned his drive and determenation. Its the people that have the attitude of Brandon Marshall that piss me off the most, I feel that he isnt as motivated as those like TO, TO is motivated just by playing the game.

[a700hitter]

Overall' date=' I really don't think any teams should be taking the risk of having TO when he isn't half the player he used to be. But yet, they always do, TO always has a team to go to[/quote']Milton Bradley always gets a job too. It's like signing a headache.

[The_Destroyah]

Milton Bradley always gets a job too. It's like signing a headache.

 

TO>MB IMO although both are cancerous sores to their teams.

[Emmz]

He wins where he goes. He gets to Dallas and they make the playoffs his first year' date=' and then progress to being the best team in the NFC the next year. When he got to Philadelphia they made the Super Bowl (even though he didn't play in the playoffs).[/quote']

 

They may have made playoff appearances, but you're giving him way too much credit. When he came to Philly, the team was being stacked, and before the season they were being touted as one of the best teams in football, if not THE best. In Dallas they were also loading up, it's not like T.O. came and they magically got better. Yeah they did, in his receiver slot, but there were several other crucial moves that made them good teams, not just TO.

 

Also, you're avoiding the fact that when he starts whining, his team falls apart, that'd be because of his polarizing presence, which isn't good

 

Also, in terms of his dedication to his team, the guy played in the Super Bowl while he was still recovering from a broken leg. He put his career on the line to try and help his team win the Super Bowl.

 

I never once question his dedication, I even said it was top notch, but the fact is that he creates a lot of problems once he wants out, which is about once every 2 years

[yankees228]

He has his off the field issues and he is probably too outspoken. Those things don't bother me though, as much as it bothers other people. As long as a player brings it when he is between the lines I'm OK with him. And even when he is "whining" his effort is top notch. In his last year in Philadelphia, during one of his last games, he made a move on Champ Bailey on a quick throw to him at the line of scrimmage that was pretty ridiculous, and then ran for a TD. Just an example. He never lets it effect him when he is on the field.

 

I'd rather him than a guy like Randy Moss who gave up on his team out in Oakland, and stopped running his routes hard. I think that is much more damaging.

[The_Destroyah]

I feel that TO actually had a point last year with the Cowboys, it was just something that should have been dealt with in the locker room away from public scrutiny, Romo threw to Witten multiple times late in an important game against the Giants when Witten was running awful routes, wasnt open, and was suffering from a mild concussion, and TO was wide open practiacally shooting up flares to Romo to get his attention, now having said that TO got the ball thrownt to him more that any other reciever and managed to drop about 25% of those passes. I think sometimes Romo goes straight to Witten without truly examining the field or how well Witten is covered, luckily he seems to be getting out of that habit.

[yankees228]

And I think he had a point in Philadelphia. If McNabb was actually throwing up in the huddle during the Super Bowl, that's an issue. Maybe Owens shouldn't have voiced it publicly, but I don't think all the blame should go his way.

 

Also, Owens gets all the blame for that relationship falling apart, but I don't think McNabb was really helping the situation.

 

However, I'll admit he was wrong to complain about a contract he had just agreed to the year before.

[The_Destroyah]

He has his off the field issues and he is probably too outspoken. Those things don't bother me though, as much as it bothers other people. As long as a player brings it when he is between the lines I'm OK with him. And even when he is "whining" his effort is top notch. In his last year in Philadelphia, during one of his last games, he made a move on Champ Bailey on a quick throw to him at the line of scrimmage that was pretty ridiculous, and then ran for a TD. Just an example. He never lets it effect him when he is on the field.

 

I'd rather him than a guy like Randy Moss who gave up on his team out in Oakland, and stopped running his routes hard. I think that is much more damaging.

 

this was kind of my point with Brandon Marshall, TO will play hard no matter who his QB is and how much he dislikes his QB he plays hard because he just wants to win football games, Marshall seems to only play his hardest when everyone succumbs to his demands, TO would give 110% playing for Detroit, and with Terry Bradshaw shoving his old fat ass into a uni and throwing to him...

[yankees228]

this was kind of my point with Brandon Marshall' date=' TO will play hard no matter who his QB is and how much he dislikes his QB he plays hard because he just wants to win football games, Marshall seems to only play his hardest when everyone succumbs to his demands, TO would give 110% playing for Detroit, and with Terry Bradshaw shoving his old fat ass into a uni and throwing to him...[/quote']

 

Yup, I'm with you.

[RWTP24]

He does play hard, but his talent isn't at the level it used to be. Sorry. TO's being a jackass isn't worth the trade-off

 

There's a lot of guys who put in top-notch effort, maybe not as talented, but there are more talented receivers out there as well

 

Finally, almost all receivers, even at the high school level, are divas. My friends who played receiver were always divas who shot their mouths off and thought they were hot, but TO stands out amongst all of them, as the biggest ******* in the NFL. No one likes him

 

Yes it is. He is probably the fittest football playing in the league. He still looks and plays like he did when he first game in the league.

 

If Buf was smart, they would have gone his way more than three times. Also, if Buf wants to win more than 5 games they better start using him a lot more.

[Emmz]

Randy Moss gave up on his team, but has shapen up in New England, basically because Bill doesn't put up with any s***, he'd be gone if he quit on them like he did in Minnie and Oakland

 

Also, Randy Moss has done some assoholic things too

 

With that said, Randy Moss is probably the greatest talent the WR position has ever seen, but is known as a quitter. TO never quits, even when he's being a douchecock, which is alot of the time. So I'm on the fence as to who actually I'd rather have on my team, it also depends on the coach. I think that Parcells was a no-s*** coach, like Bill, but TO shat on him anyways. I think he's s*** on the Pats if he had a chance, it's just his nature. Being a quitter, though, is something that can be fixed with a good team that can win

[RWTP24]

Emmz, imagine if TO was on the Viks....Farve would have the best RB and WR on your team. They would run away with that division.

 

Are you sure you are saying you would not want him on your team????

[RWTP24]

Randy Moss gave up on his team, but has shapen up in New England, basically because Bill doesn't put up with any s***, he'd be gone if he quit on them like he did in Minnie and Oakland

 

Also, Randy Moss has done some assoholic things too

 

With that said, Randy Moss is probably the greatest talent the WR position has ever seen, but is known as a quitter. TO never quits, even when he's being a douchecock, which is alot of the time. So I'm on the fence as to who actually I'd rather have on my team, it also depends on the coach. I think that Parcells was a no-s*** coach, like Bill, but TO shat on him anyways. I think he's s*** on the Pats if he had a chance, it's just his nature. Being a quitter, though, is something that can be fixed with a good team that can win

 

 

Please tell me you are kidding????

[Emmz]

That's different though, we'd be s***** the next year anyways, because Favre would be gone, and no one would give him the ball, and he'd start another s*** storm. That's a totally different scenario. If there's nothing to lose, then go for it, but if you have long-term success in the works, then why would you even think of signing that guy? He's too much of a f*** up

[Emmz]

Please tell me you are kidding????

 

Please tell me you're kidding me about me kidding you...

 

http://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/M/MossRa00.htm

 

http://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/O/OwenTe00.htm

 

Moss>TO in terms of talent. Sorry, the stats speak for themselves. Not to mention Moss has deadly speed, and he's the best at using the push-off technique

[RWTP24]

First off, if you are going to say that "Moss is the greatest talent the WR position has ever seen... What do you call TO????

 

TO has better numbers then Moss. More TD, REC and YDS.

[RWTP24]

Please tell me you're kidding me about me kidding you...

 

http://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/M/MossRa00.htm

 

http://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/O/OwenTe00.htm

 

Moss>TO in terms of talent. Sorry, the stats speak for themselves. Not to mention Moss has deadly speed, and he's the best at using the push-off technique

 

TO: TD - 139, YRD - 14,168, REC - 953, FUM - 9

 

Moss: TD - 135, YRD - 13,342, REC - 855. FUM - 10

 

So, what would that make TO??? Dog s***?

[Emmz]

TO has four more TDs, Moss has played with terrible QBs and made them look good, hence the reason Culpepper was any good, hence the reason Tom Brady had his best season ever, and one the best QB seasons ever (Though we already knew Tom was one of the best in the league). Also, Moss happens to have more yards per reception, yards per game, etc etc etc. TO beats him barely, careerwise, in the categories he beats him in, and has played in more games. They are the two best receivers in football history, but Moss is better