Expectations for the Yankees down the Stretch

[jacksonianmarch]

Jacko, you are in line to have to leave this site if the Yankees lose with all the security of a championship you're spewing.

 

I hope you know that.

 

and find ONE spot where I said the yankees were a lock to win the world series. Find ONE quote. Just one.

 

I have said that the yankees are the best team going into the playoffs and I have predicted them to win the world series, but nowhere, absolutely nowhere did I say they were a lock. After seeing 13 consecutive seasons of playoff baseball, some where we were the best team and lost, and others where we werent the best team and won, I will never say that a team is a lock to win anything outside of the regular season.

[Dipre]

and find ONE spot where I said the yankees were a lock to win the world series. Find ONE quote. Just one.

 

I have said that the yankees are the best team going into the playoffs and I have predicted them to win the world series, but nowhere, absolutely nowhere did I say they were a lock. After seeing 13 consecutive seasons of playoff baseball, some where we were the best team and lost, and others where we werent the best team and won, I will never say that a team is a lock to win anything outside of the regular season.

 

Find ONE SPOT when i said the Yanks were going to lose. ONE.

 

See?

 

It works both ways.

 

I said Anaheim has the better rotation out of the Sox and Yanks, everything else is fabrication.

[jacksonianmarch]

Jacko' date=' you are in line to have to leave this site if the Yankees lose [b']with all the security of a championship you're spewing[/b].

 

I hope you know that.

 

I was responding to this stupid quote

[ElMaestro]

Jacko, you are in line to have to leave this site if the Yankees lose with all the security of a championship you're spewing.

 

I hope you know that.

 

Dipre is obsessed with the idea that some of us (me the noobie) are ASSURING the yanks will win it all. I completely disagree with that. Neither jackson or me (the examples I remember now) NEVER assured that. In my humble analysis I just have said that I think the yanks are the team to beat, as IMO they are the best team in the league. In 2007 the Red Sox were the best team in the league, and I said that at the moment. I expected them to destroy the Rockies, and we know the story. Of course, I wanted the Rockies to win, but one thing is what you want, and another thing is the reality.

 

Being the best team doesn't gives you nothing, we have plenty of examples of that in the past. They have to play up to their level to win it all. That's it.

[example1]

You mean the fail that almost pitched the no-hitter against you in the Bronx? I'd take my chances with Burnett against pretty much anyone. As long as Molina catches him.

 

My we are being selective today, aren't we Gom?

 

Have you looked at AJ's line against the Red Sox this year? Here it is:

 

4 GS, 0-2, 8.85 ERA, 20.1 IP, 23 H, 22 R, 20 ER, 16k/16BB, 1.918 WHIP

 

That INCLUDES the 1 hitter. Ouch.

[example1]

Dipre is obsessed with the idea that some of us (me the noobie) are ASSURING the yanks will win it all. I completely disagree with that. Neither jackson or me (the examples I remember now) NEVER assured that. In my humble analysis I just have said that I think the yanks are the team to beat, as IMO they are the best team in the league. In 2007 the Red Sox were the best team in the league, and I said that at the moment. I expected them to destroy the Rockies, and we know the story. Of course, I wanted the Rockies to win, but one thing is what you want, and another thing is the reality.

 

Being the best team doesn't gives you nothing, we have plenty of examples of that in the past. They have to play up to their level to win it all. That's it.

 

This is very reasonable. The Yankees are absolutely the favorites to win the World Series. It will be an utter disaster if they do not.

[yankees228]

This is very reasonable. The Yankees are absolutely the favorites to win the World Series. It will be an utter disaster if they do not.

 

Lol, I'm not sure if you're being serious, so if you're not, I apologize.

 

It is so far from an utter disaster if they don't win the World Series. Maybe it will be in the Yankees' front office, but for anyone that is reasonable, it won't be. It'll be extremely disappointing, but as long as one understands that the playoffs are a crapshoot, it's not an utter disaster.

[yankees228]

You mean the fail that almost pitched the no-hitter against you in the Bronx? I'd take my chances with Burnett against pretty much anyone. As long as Molina catches him.

 

Do you honestly think that they're going to have Molina catch Burnett? In game 2 of the division series, do you really think they're going to sacrifice Posada's bat?

 

Believe what you want about the effect Molina has on Burnett, but it is a moot point, because he will not be catching him in the playoffs.

[example1]

Lol, I'm not sure if you're being serious, so if you're not, I apologize.

 

It is so far from an utter disaster if they don't win the World Series. Maybe it will be in the Yankees' front office, but for anyone that is reasonable, it won't be.

 

So the FO is unreasonable?

 

It'll be extremely disappointing, but as long as one understands that the playoffs are a crapshoot, it's not an utter disaster.

 

Doesn't that crapshoot excuse (made by Billy Beane to justify why his team COULD win in the playoffs against teams with many more resources) just make you feel warm and fuzzy inside? It isn't appliable to a team that spends nearly 100% more than the rest of the teams in baseball. Sorry. It just doesn't.

 

Home field advantage? Check. Rotation setup as they would want it? Check. Healthy lineup? Check. MVP caliber players on both corners? Check. World's best closer? Check. True Ace? Check.

 

I think perhaps the whole concept of "crapshoot" deserves its own thread as it has come up a lot recently.

[BoSox21]

That INCLUDES the 1 hitter. Ouch.

 

And the 1-hitter had 6 walks

[yankees228]

The front office's expectations have always been unreasonable. It's unreasonable to expect to win a championship every year.

 

Yes, the Yankees are set up pretty nicely for the playoffs, all things considered, but there have been numerous instances in the past decade where the best team did not win. That doesn't mean it was a complete failure each time.

 

Think about it this way. Everything about baseball is built on the idea that things even out. Over a small sample size flukes often occur, mainly because there are so many variables involved in the outcome of a single baseball game. The Yankees lost their first series this season to the Baltimore Orioles, a team they are significantly better than. Was that an utter disaster? No. Was that a cause for concern? No. Why? Because, in baseball, things tend to even out over a larger sample size.

 

Mark Teixeira got off to a poor start this year. Was it a concern? No. Why? Because things tend to even out over a larger sample size. How's Mark Teixeira doing now?

 

I was very upset about the ball four that was called to Nick Green the other night, which allowed the Red Sox to tie the game. While most Red Sox fans on this site acknowledged that it was a bad call, I received many responses saying that those things tend to even out over the season. Sure, the Red Sox got a call that gave them the game, but there were probably calls that cost them a game also. It's a long season, and they're absolutely right, things do to tend to even out. However, in a short playoff series, they don't. Did the Cardinals ever get retribution for Don Denkinger's call? Did the Orioles ever get retribution for Richie Garcia's call? Did the Red Sox ever get retribution for the blind tag on Offerman? No, because it was over a much smaller sample size.

 

Nobody even blinks an eye over Lonnie Smith's poor base running if the it's during the regular season. Sure, he got fooled by Chuck Knoblauch, but it could happen to anyone. However, in the World Series, that one base running mistake cost the Braves their season. When one tiny thing going wrong can cost a team their season, how is it not a crapshoot?

 

I'll give you an example that involves the Yankees. The Yankees lost the 2002 ALDS mainly because after being staked to an early five run lead in game 3 (series tied 1-1) Mike Mussina injured his groin. If that doesn't happen the Yankees very likely win that game, and go on to win the series. Instead, even though they were the superior team, they lost, and the Angels went on to win the World Series. It's those minor things that are relatively inconsequential over a large sample size, that can end your season over a smaller sample size (the playoffs).

[yankees228]

It's worth noting, in terms of the front office, that George Steinbrenner has admitted he takes a football mentality to baseball. That is obviously something you cannot do.

[jacksonianmarch]

So the FO is unreasonable?

 

 

 

Doesn't that crapshoot excuse (made by Billy Beane to justify why his team COULD win in the playoffs against teams with many more resources) just make you feel warm and fuzzy inside? It isn't appliable to a team that spends nearly 100% more than the rest of the teams in baseball. Sorry. It just doesn't.

 

Home field advantage? Check. Rotation setup as they would want it? Check. Healthy lineup? Check. MVP caliber players on both corners? Check. World's best closer? Check. True Ace? Check.

 

I think perhaps the whole concept of "crapshoot" deserves its own thread as it has come up a lot recently.

 

2008 was an utter disaster. If we lose in the playoffs, it will be a disappointment to say the least

[Dipre]

I was responding to this stupid quote

 

Obvious trolling.

 

Sorry to get your panties in a bunch.

 

@ElMaestro.

 

The big boys are having an argument. Stay out of it.

[rician blast]

....as long as they get 11 in the postseason. Those are my expectations' date=' year in and year out. Lets make it happen this year.[/quote']

 

 

Those should be the expectations of every Yankee fan...maybe of every fan period.

 

Anything short of the WS title is a collosal failure, especially after the off-season activity they had.

[Dipre]

Those should be the expectations of every Yankee fan...maybe of every fan period.

 

Anything short of the WS title is a collosal failure, especially after the off-season activity they had.

 

Failure to win the WS by the Yanks would give me enough lulz for the rest of my lifetime.

 

I'm cheering hard for whoever faces them after they destroy Detroit.

[yankees228]

Those should be the expectations of every Yankee fan...maybe of every fan period.

 

Anything short of the WS title is a collosal failure, especially after the off-season activity they had.

 

True, but when you look at it objectively, you have to realize all the little things that need to go right to win a World Series.

[rician blast]

True' date=' but when you look at it objectively, you have to realize all the little things that need to go right to win a World Series.[/quote']

 

I know, I just like to play up that whole angle.

[Dipre]

True' date=' but when you look at it objectively, you have to realize all the little things that need to go right to win a World Series.[/quote']

 

Noez.

 

As a true Yankee fan, you have to be 110% sure the Yanks are the best team in the history of the sport and will therefore crush any opposition during the postseason./sarcasm

[yankees228]

I know' date=' I just like to play up that whole angle.[/quote']

 

Don't get me wrong, I'll be very disappointed if they don't win the World Series. They've had an excellent year, and it would be a shame if it ended in defeat. From a subjective fan's point of view, it really sucks.

 

But I'm of the belief, that in the end, the playoffs are a crapshoot. Some teams are clearly better than others, but anything can happen over a small sample size (which I talked about in a previous post in this thread).

[jacksonianmarch]

Noez.

 

As a true Yankee fan, you have to be 110% sure the Yanks are the best team in the history of the sport and will therefore crush any opposition during the postseason./sarcasm

 

they are the best team in the history of the sport. That really isnt debatable

[Dipre]

they are the best team in the history of the sport. That really isnt debatable

 

I meant the '09 version, Newton.

[26 to 6]

Those should be the expectations of every Yankee fan...maybe of every fan period.

 

Anything short of the WS title is a collosal failure, especially after the off-season activity they had.

Absolutely. That's the only way you can look at it. I'm sure Red Sox fans have similar expectations for their team now as well.

[jacksonianmarch]

I meant the '09 version' date=' Newton.[/quote']

 

The 09 version is not the best team of all time. The 27 and 98 Yankees are in that conversation

[Dipre]

The 09 version is not the best team of all time. The 27 and 98 Yankees are in that conversation

 

*sigh*

[jacksonianmarch]

dispute it if you could

[Dipre]

dispute it if you could

 

I'm sighing because you didn't get the sarcasm.

 

I don't wanna enter a 15-page discussion about the greatness of the Yankees.

 

It was just a joke, read it again, dude.

[Keeper]

As bad as Detroit is, Verlander and Jackson could make things interesting in a 5-game series. Would love to see the upset.

[yankees228]

As bad as Detroit is' date=' Verlander and Jackson could make things interesting in a 5-game series. Would love to see the upset.[/quote']

 

Agreed. I would much rather play the Twins.

[RWTP24]

Failure to win the WS by the Yanks would give me enough lulz for the rest of my lifetime.

 

I'm cheering hard for whoever faces them after they destroy Detroit.

 

If Detroit can get in; I would not throw Detroit under the bus to quickly.

 

First off, they have Verlander and Jackson. In a short series anything can happen and Pitching always wins. IMO, the Yankees have one good pitch (CC) everyone else is just ok. With that being said, I believe they are going to give up some runs. The Yankees are built for a long season with a huge offence and a little pitching. That always works until you get into the playoffs and you have to play in a series. There will be a lot of really good pitch that can shut down their lineup and then they are f&ck.