Michael Jordan enters the Hall of Fame

[RWTP24]

I'm pretty sure Michael wasn't meant for baseball lol' date=' and I'm pretty much glad that he played basketball, no one did it better, no one does it better, don't know what anyone will do it better[/quote']

 

I believe once Kobe wins 2 more titles (which will happen) people are going to say the same thing about him. If Kobe wasn't so selfish for his first few years he would be in the talk now. I have seen both players play and Kobe ability to shot the 3 and make just about any shot he wants puts him up there. Jordan did the same two things every time, drive and dunk/layup or backs someone down and would do his little fall away. IMO, Kobe will be tied or surpass Jordan.

 

With all this said, it might be a mood point because I think James might run away with everything. He will have to win about 6 titles and I don’t know if he will be able to do that.

[Emmz]

I really don't see how you can put forth a Jordan vs. Kobe argument, when Lebron James is the best player in basketball right now. Kobe statistically falls quite a bit short of Jordan, just a quick comparison of their statistics

 

Jordan averaged 30.1 ppg in his career, Kobe Bryant, who is known for his scoring, averages 25.1 (Actually Bryant used to average more, but it's gone down). Jordan has also averaged 33.4 ppg in the playoffs to Bryant's 25.

 

In fact, statistically, Jordan defeats Bryant in just about every major category, including assists per game (Jordan 5.3, Kobe 4.6) steals per game (Jordan 2.35, Kobe 1.5), rebounds per game (Jordan 6.2, Kobe 5.3) and FG% (Jordan 49.7% to Kobe's 45.5%), all by fairly significant margins. Also, Kobe's edge on Jordan in 3's, a very small statistic to begin with, is very low (Kobe 34.1% to Jordan's 32.7%). I don't think Kobe is really anywhere close to Jordan, I think he's a top 5 all time player possibly, but mostly everyone's distant from Jordan in basketball, and the next person who has a chance to pass him up or come close is Lebron, but he has a long ways to go as well.

 

Not to mention, for one, a championship is a team accomplishment, and even if those are what makes Kobe in the same league as Jordan, he's still two short, so that argument hasn't been fulfilled yet either

 

Also, my final point, I wouldn't say the Lakers win it all this year just yet, the Celtics did some gearing up as well, so I wouldn't say Kobe has this year's title on lock either

[RWTP24]

I really don't see how you can put forth a Jordan vs. Kobe argument, when Lebron James is the best player in basketball right now. Kobe statistically falls quite a bit short of Jordan, just a quick comparison of their statistics

 

Jordan averaged 30.1 ppg in his career, Kobe Bryant, who is known for his scoring, averages 25.1 (Actually Bryant used to average more, but it's gone down). Jordan has also averaged 33.4 ppg in the playoffs to Bryant's 25.

 

In fact, statistically, Jordan defeats Bryant in just about every major category, including assists per game (Jordan 5.3, Kobe 4.6) steals per game (Jordan 2.35, Kobe 1.5), rebounds per game (Jordan 6.2, Kobe 5.3) and FG% (Jordan 49.7% to Kobe's 45.5%), all by fairly significant margins. Also, Kobe's edge on Jordan in 3's, a very small statistic to begin with, is very low (Kobe 34.1% to Jordan's 32.7%). I don't think Kobe is really anywhere close to Jordan, I think he's a top 5 all time player possibly, but mostly everyone's distant from Jordan in basketball, and the next person who has a chance to pass him up or come close is Lebron, but he has a long ways to go as well.

 

Not to mention, for one, a championship is a team accomplishment, and even if those are what makes Kobe in the same league as Jordan, he's still two short, so that argument hasn't been fulfilled yet either

 

Also, my final point, I wouldn't say the Lakers win it all this year just yet, the Celtics did some gearing up as well, so I wouldn't say Kobe has this year's title on lock either

 

IMO, the competition is way harder now.. I will leave it at that...

 

Kobe, Artest, Odom, Gasol and Bynum.... It is not going to happen! That is and will be the best team in basketball.

[Emmz]

Rasheed Wallace

Kevin Garnett

Paul Pierce

Ray Allen

Rajon Rondo

 

Not only is it a comparable starting five, but it's arguably a better starting five, I wouldn't say they're the best. In the west, yes, but Boston's the Beast of the East.

[Keeper]

Kobe is a great player, but he's not Michael Jordan. The competition isn't "way harder" now at all. If anything, the league talent is more diluted...

[Emmz]

I agree, and even if that was the case, Wilt Chamberlain shouldn't be considered great either, he'd be little better than a Vlade Divac type today. He just had a freakish advantage for his time, and dominated, but when he went up with a Bill Russell, he got bested most of the time. So, I'm not taking anything away from Wilt, but it's true, the competition is so much harder now based on size alone

[RWTP24]

I agree' date=' and even if that was the case, Wilt Chamberlain shouldn't be considered great either, he'd be little better than a Vlade Divac type today. He just had a freakish advantage for his time, and dominated, but when he went up with a Bill Russell, he got bested most of the time. So, I'm not taking anything away from Wilt, but it's true, the competition is so much harder now based on size alone

 

 

No, no, yes you are :harhar: You just hate the Lakers, it's ok.

[Emmz]

Actually, he's more well known for his days as the most dominant player in history with the Philadelphia Warriors, so don't gimme that buster! Lol, and I wasn't taking anything away from Wilt, it's just true, he probably wouldn't be much better than a good starter today, but he doesn't play today so I'm not taking anything away from him

[RWTP24]

Actually' date=' he's more well known for his days as the most dominant player in history with the Philadelphia Warriors, so don't gimme that buster! Lol, and I wasn't taking anything away from Wilt, it's just true, he probably wouldn't be much better than a good starter today, but he doesn't play today so I'm not taking anything away from him[/quote']

 

:harhar::harhar::harhar::harhar::harhar: Sorry i had to play along.

[a700hitter]

He just had a freakish advantage for his time' date=' and dominated, but when he went up with a Bill Russell, he got bested most of the time. [/quote']That's just not true. Wilt was a great athlete, not just a tall freak. He was a better athlete than the little guys of his time and he was evry bit as good an athlete as Russell, probably better. Russell didn't best Wilt. His team bested Wilt's team. Russell has been very open aboutnot being able to stop Wilt so he didn't even try. If Wilt was goingt to get 50 pts. so be it, but Russell was going to help shut down the rest of Wilt's team. That was usually his strategy.

[Emmz]

That's just not true. Wilt was a great athlete' date=' not just a tall freak. He was a better athlete than the little guys of his time and he was evry bit as good an athlete as Russell, probably better. Russell didn't best Wilt. His team bested Wilt's team. Russell has been very open aboutnot being able to stop Wilt so he didn't even try. If Wilt was goingt to get 50 pts. so be it, but Russell was going to help shut down the rest of Wilt's team. That was usually his strategy.[/quote']

 

His team bested Wilt, because Russell played Wilt much better than anyone else, and he averaged very good numbers against Wilt, especially defensively. Wilt outplayed Russell, yes, but overall, Russell was smart enough to not focus on Wilt, because it wouldn't make a big difference anyways, Wilt was going to score a lot anyways, you're right on that

 

What you're not completely right on is that Wilt was only an offensive machine by then's standard, and wouldn't be in elite status by any means today. He was an offensive force back then, but his biggest offensive weapon, his heigh, would be taken away in today's game. Sure he has the most polished offensive game BACK THEN, that's the keyword, BACK THEN

[Emmz]

:harhar::harhar::harhar::harhar::harhar: Sorry i had to play along.

 

:thumbdown

 

No good man

[a700hitter]

What you're not completely right on is that Wilt was only an offensive machine by then's standard' date=' and wouldn't be in elite status by any means today. He was an offensive force back then, but his biggest offensive weapon, his heigh, would be taken away in today's game. Sure he has the most polished offensive game BACK THEN, that's the keyword, BACK THEN[/quote']In any sport, you can only judge them with regard to how they dominated in their own era. It's not fair to say that he would only be one of dozens of 7 footers today hence he is not greater than Divac. Wilt was the most dominant player the NBA has ever seen.

[Emmz]

No, I didn't say he's not better than Divac, lol I'm sorry if that's how it was interpreted, but that's not even a close to fair comparison. I said he'd be a Divac with better offensive skills in todays game, which is a guy who's good for double double statistics, but not one of the elites. And yes, no one will ever dominate like Wilt Chamberlain dominated, but Michael Jordan is as close as you could come, and he has no height advantage

[a700hitter]

No' date=' I didn't say he's not better than Divac, lol I'm sorry if that's how it was interpreted, but that's not even a close to fair comparison. I said he'd be a Divac with better offensive skills in todays game, which is a guy who's good for double double statistics, but not one of the elites. And yes, no one will ever dominate like Wilt Chamberlain dominated, but Michael Jordan is as close as you could come, and he has no height advantage[/quote']I don't know why people disparage height advantage, especially when Wilt was faster and a better athlete than everyone in the league. No one disparages speed. Alan Iverson would not be much without his unbeleivable speed, but no one disparages his speed advantage.

[Emmz]

Because height is something that you get from genetics, and speed can be obtained through working out, there's a difference. You can't stretch yourself taller, that's a myth lol, we all know that, but that's the difference. I think there's only a few guys who have ever really had that significant height advantage over everyone, and that was George Mikan, and Wilt Chamberlain mainly, and Bill Russell for a few years before Wilt came along

 

Speed advantages are different in that they aren't that significant, ever. AI isn't even that great anymore with his speed, and also, he has pretty good moves and quickness as well, there are other factors to his game. Wilt was ahead of his time, and I will leave it at that

[msubulldogs21]

Just saw this video. I didn't particularly care for MJ as person to begin with, but wow. Could he be any more of a complete ass?

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=798dSGws44A

[Emmz]

Yeah I believe it. Michael Jordan used to intimidate his teammates like this too. Actually I can't remember the name of their big man when MJ first came into the league but he said way back in the day, something like: if you talk to me like that again i'll break you in half. Jordan never bothered him again.

[Keeper]

Bill Cartwright.

[Emmz]

Yup. That's the dude.

[cudulbe]

I accept: Michael Jordan was probably the most dominant player in any sport that. His ability to rise up at any time and just take over a game on the offensive or defensive side was epic. And the fact that he retired and then came back to win 3 more titles is a testament to his ability.

[yeszir]

I accept: Michael Jordan was probably the most dominant player in any sport that. His ability to rise up at any time and just take over a game on the offensive or defensive side was epic. And the fact that he retired and then came back to win 3 more titles is a testament to his ability.

 

Hmm, do you really care about Michael Jordan or are you just trying to get search engine back links to your liposuction site which I'm about to remove? <_>

[Emmz]

You have liposuction information in your signature. What. The. f***.