Jump to content
Talk Sox
  • Create Account

9/1 vs Rays

VA Sox Fan
 Share

Recommended Posts

Dipre Worcester Red Sox

Dipre

Old-Timey Member
Posted
Posted
What happened with Oki can happen with any manager.

 

You have a guy who's usually effective. He is crap today. You have two choices, and you have them with every plate appearance.

 

1: Sit there and wait

2: Pull him and bring in another pitcher.

 

Remember, Hideki Okajima is a good relief pitcher. Regardless of how you feel about him at the moment over the course of a season he's consistently one of our best. Oki letting in some hits, maybe even a run, then bouncing back and putting up those three outs himself was a distinct possibility even at the time he actually did get him. It is not as cut and dried as simply "well he's let on some baserunners, time to go get him." That adds strain to your bullpen and should be avoided if possible if you want to make it to September with 12 healthy arms.

 

Personally I think that Oki could have come out a couple bats earlier, and Tito wanted to give him a chance to bounce back -- but he hedged his bets by warming up Papelbon instead of Bard so that if things really went to hell -- like they did -- Tito could roll his best reliever out there rather than trust Bard, Delcarmen and RR, all of which have just as many warts as Oki.

 

If you have the BALLS to say Francona's bullpen management is not, at the very least, suspect.

 

You're either sleeping with him, his wife, or his son.

 

Or maybe all three of them.

 

He keeps pulling the same s*** he pulled with Oki tonight, and it costs bullpen flexibility, or even losses in the WCS.

  • Replies 460
  • Created
  • Last Reply

Top Posters In This Topic

Popular Days

Top Posters In This Topic

Popular Days

WhiskeyBreath FCL Red Sox

WhiskeyBreath

Verified Member
Posted
Posted
good job by Pap. Tito is slow on Wagner--maybe because of Gagne. Looked bad on that guy.

 

Wagner might be the best setup guy in the majors right now. Oki hasn't been sharp two straight. Give him a rest. Wagner was another brilliant move by Epstein, but they have to USE him. He's no Gagne.

 

In this game, Lester goes another inning. Tito just doesn't go for the jugular.

 

I happen to have liked when Wagner was used. With the way he has been throwing, I like his chances against their 1-3 hitters.

Dojji Boston Red Sox

Dojji

Old-Timey Member
Posted
Posted
If you have the BALLS to say Francona's bullpen management is not, at the very least, suspect.

 

You're either sleeping with him, his wife, or his son.

 

Or maybe all three of them.

 

He keeps pulling the same s*** he pulled with Oki tonight, and it costs bullpen flexibility, or even losses in the WCS.

 

I'm not going to tell you he's a perfect bullpen manager. No one is. What I'm saying is that he called it right today. I don't see too many managers that would have reacted dramatically different, and the one move he did make that might be different, was a good kind of different. (he got Papelbon instead of another setup man)

Dipre Worcester Red Sox

Dipre

Old-Timey Member
Posted
Posted
What I'm saying is that he called it right today. I don't see too many managers that would have reacted dramatically different' date=' and the one move he did make that might be different, was a good kind of different. (he got Papelbon instead of another setup man)[/quote']

 

Sweet Jesus.

Dojji Boston Red Sox

Dojji

Old-Timey Member
Posted
Posted
Sweet Jesus.

 

OK so you disagree. If I applied your own rules to you that makes you automatically an idiot, apparently.

Dojji Boston Red Sox

Dojji

Old-Timey Member
Posted
Posted
He's banned

 

Had to be done, I suppose. Racism is not anything we should be prepared to tolerate. Besides, it wasn't even that creative a slur.

 

I mean if you must be a raging bigot, you could at least do us the favor of being an ENTERTAINING racist bigot, couldn't you?

Dipre Worcester Red Sox

Dipre

Old-Timey Member
Posted
Posted
OK so you disagree. If I applied your own rules to you that makes you automatically an idiot' date=' apparently.[/quote']

 

I don't disagree.

 

I'm just tired of your strawman arguments.

 

Your complete inability to keep things in context both baffles and frustrates me.

 

So i give up.

Dojji Boston Red Sox

Dojji

Old-Timey Member
Posted
Posted
I don't disagree.

 

I'm just tired of your strawman arguments.

 

Your complete inability to keep things in context both baffles and frustrates me.

 

So i give up.

 

 

Win for me! :D

 

Seriously, this one isn't a strawman. I think Francona gets too much crap about his day to day tactics. There's a lot of times that baseball puts you in a no win situation and we use the Hindsight Machine to criticise his moves simply because they don't work.

 

The fact that a move doesn't work shouldn't be enough to launch tirades. I just don't see what Tito did in this situation that was so counterintuitive. Bringing in a member of his setup corps for the 8th surely isn't it. Sticking with him with a large lead even after a few rocks in the road sure isn't. Having the closer lined up and ready to go when crap hit the fan was his only controversial move, and it was a great one.

SoxSport FCL Red Sox

SoxSport

Verified Member
Posted
Posted
If you have the BALLS to say Francona's bullpen management is not, at the very least, suspect.

 

You're either sleeping with him, his wife, or his son.

 

Or maybe all three of them.

 

He keeps pulling the same s*** he pulled with Oki tonight, and it costs bullpen flexibility, or even losses in the WCS.

 

Funny how some fans love Tito, other fans hate him.

 

I think he does a lot of difficult things well, but sucks at managing the bullpen. He gets away with a lot of stupid stuff, because he has a ton of talent to work with and the team wins a lot of games.

SCM33 Salem RidgeYaks

SCM33

Verified Member
Posted
Posted
Win for me! :D

 

Seriously, this one isn't a strawman. I think Francona gets too much crap about his day to day tactics. There's a lot of times that baseball puts you in a no win situation and we use the Hindsight Machine to criticise his moves simply because they don't work.

 

He had Bard warming up before Okijima. I think Bard was a better fit, hindsight is nice yes, but I think Bard would have fared better, thus saving Papelbon 2 innings of work.

The_Destroyah FCL Red Sox

The_Destroyah

Verified Member
Posted
Posted
People give far too much credit to Managers, both good and bad...he might have made a minor mistake but he isnt the 1st one to blame if there had been a loss, nor is he the first to be congragulated if this game is a W
Guest
This topic is now closed to further replies.
 Share
Go to topic listing
The Talk Sox Caretaker Fund
The Talk Sox Caretaker Fund

You all care about this site. The next step is caring for it. We’re asking you to caretake this site so it can remain the premier Red Sox community on the internet.

Become a Caretaker

  • Member Statistics

    8,550
    Total Members
    48,845
    Most Online
    Leftier1
    Newest Member
    Leftier1
    Joined
×
×
  • Create New...