7/29 v A's

[BigPapiEnFuego]

That was productive.

 

Bet you miss Trot still.

 

TUFF N GRIT

 

Nope, I don't. But I will say that when he played he at least wasn't hurt over bitchass injuries and was at least consistent. I'm tired of hearing about Drew straining this or that, or missing a day because he somehow bruised his cervix while douching, or going on a streak where he goes like 6-10 then spends the next month trying to figurre out how to pick the bat up off his shoulder. His s*** is tired and old.

[TheKilo]

Nope' date=' I don't. But I will say that when he played he at least wasn't hurt over bitchass injuries and was at least consistent. I'm tired of hearing about Drew straining this or that, or missing a day because he somehow bruised his cervix while douching, or going on a streak where he goes like 6-10 then spends the next month trying to figurre out how to pick the bat up off his shoulder. His s*** is tired and old.[/quote']

 

JD Drew has played in 87 of 100 possible games.

 

Tell me, what bitchass injuries has Drew had here?

[Dipre]

I wonder why no one attacks the one-hipped wonder like they do Drew.

 

He at least saves runs with his defense and doesn't need a stretcher to man his position.

[TheKilo]

I wonder why no one attacks the one-hipped wonder like they do Drew.

 

He at least saves runs with his defense and doesn't need a stretcher to man his position.

 

Mikey Lowell was the 2007 WS MVP, so any and all criticism of his is stupid and shouldn't be taken seriously.

 

And he has an awesome goatee.

 

durrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr

[Dipre]

Mikey Lowell was the 2007 WS MVP, so any and all criticism of his is stupid and shouldn't be taken seriously.

 

And he has an awesome goatee.

 

durrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr

 

And where's the Papelbon hate?

 

He's the guy who refuses to throw his f***ING OUT PITCH so he can conserve his shoulder and elbow and make more money later on.

[TheKilo]

And where's the Papelbon hate?

 

He's the guy who refuses to throw his f***ING OUT PITCH so he can conserve his shoulder and elbow and make more money later on.

 

Dude, stop being so rational. It's so much easier to hate on JD Drew, and let him be the scapegoat for this entire team.

[BigPapiEnFuego]

Mike Lowell actually plays with that s*** and is doing halfway decent, but it isin't too long before he is gone. Drew would probably spend the next decade on the DL if he had that injury. Papelbon is a douchebag and I don't care for him either way.

[Dipre]

Dude' date=' stop being so rational. It's so much easier to hate on JD Drew, and let him be the scapegoat for this entire team.[/quote']

 

Even this this team, as a whole (except for Pedey and Dan Bard) is sucking big hairy monkey tits it's easier to hate on a guy who, despite being cold sustains a decent OBP and plays stellar defense in right?

 

Yeah, i see what you're saying.

 

Drew sucks, he's not gritty and tuff like Trot!

[TheKilo]

Even this this team, as a whole (except for Pedey and Dan Bard) is sucking big hairy monkey tits it's easier to hate on a guy who, despite being cold sustains a decent OBP and plays stellar defense in right?

 

Yeah, i see what you're saying.

 

Drew sucks, he's not gritty and tuff like Trot!

 

I learned a long time ago that the mouth breathers that follow this team who miss Mr. Pine Tar Helmet would never give Drew a fair shake in this town.

 

You'd think after Sept./Oct. 2007 and last year that he'd get some slack.

 

Nope.

[Dipre]

I learned a long time ago that the mouth breathers that follow this team who miss Mr. Pine Tar Helmet would never give Drew a fair shake in this town.

 

You'd think after Sept./Oct. 2007 and last year that he'd get some slack.

 

Nope.

 

June 2008 was quickly forgotten indeed.

 

And still, if someone on this team deserves the hatred of this fanbase, it's Jonathan f***ing Papelbon.

 

2006 Flashbacks:

 

I have them.

[TedWilliams101]

JD Drew has played in 87 of 100 possible games.

 

Tell me, what bitchass injuries has Drew had here?

 

Drew has been durable this season... but has hit like a bitch, so to speak. That's the full problem, either he is injured; has a great, but short season, or has a full(ish) sucky season. He has ONCE put it all together for a great season. Does that mean he can't? No. But history tends to repeat itself...

 

Hopefully Drew proves me wrong and goes on an absolute tear for the rest of his contract and stays on the field. I'm not holding my breath, though.

[TheKilo]

What do you expect from Drew?

 

If he hits .270, puts up a .380 OBP, and plays stellar defense in right, then he's worth what he's getting paid.

[TedWilliams101]

What do you expect from Drew?

 

If he hits .270, puts up a .380 OBP, and plays stellar defense in right, then he's worth what he's getting paid.

 

With a little power and RBI's, yeah, then he is. But he isn't hitting .270 or driving in runs. With RISP this year: 0.179, 0.343, 0.299, 0.642, 2HR, 26 RBI in 99 PA.

 

That's as bad as it gets, and please, don't come back "OH, but he is getting on base." You don't get paid $14 million to get on base, you get paid that to drive in runs. He came in as a 5 hitter, not some bottom of the lineup chump.

[TheKilo]

With a little power and RBI's, yeah, then he is. But he isn't hitting .270 or driving in runs. With RISP this year: 0.179, 0.343, 0.299, 0.642, 2HR, 26 RBI in 99 PA.

 

That's as bad as it gets, and please, don't come back "OH, but he is getting on base." You don't get paid $14 million to get on base, you get paid that to drive in runs. He came in as a 5 hitter, not some bottom of the lineup chump.

 

How many times does it need to be said the RBIs are a team dependent statistic?

[a700hitter]

6 runs should have been enough against these pukes, but it wasn't. When the lineups e posted, I was pissed that Drew was sitting. A number of you posted that Drew doesn't hit lefties well, that Baldelli hits lefties well, and that Drew is 0-3 against Anderson. Drew appears to be coming out of his slump. The other night he was right on everything even against lefties. His 0-3 against Anderson was in the midst of his slump and the team had only 2 hits against him. When Drew is hot, he can carry the team. I don't believe in strict platoons. If you want to get Baldelli into a game, it would have been better sit a slumping Bay. Baldelli got his usual 1 hit and Bay took the collar. Managing by strict platoons and formulas is a cop out. Any monkey can be trained to push a button. If Drew is entering a hot streak, he needs to be in the lineup.

 

As for being mad at Penny, he is our # 3 starter. Smoltz is worse and Buchholz is an unreliable unrefined rookie. The rotation sucks right now, and there is little help on the horizon. Dice K is more than a month away. Masterson doesn't look like the answer. Wakefield will be welcomed back, but he is only one guy and we have 3 bad slots right now. This rotation is not very good right now. It probably is not good enough to provide the strong finish that will be needed.

 

As for the offense, let's not kid ourselves. One big bat is not going to cure the ills of this offense.

Last night we had two Pittsburgh Pirates and a Tampa cast off with an incurable medical condition in the lineup together with a guy with a bad hip, a catcher with one foot in the grave, and a .130 SS. We root for these guys, but they are just not that good.. Bay is no Manny, and three teams have already given up on LaRoche. Long gone are the high octane offenses fueled by Damon, Manny and Ortiz.

 

Can this team win this season? Yes, but without a key trade or two I think it is likely that the Yankees will run away and if Tampa shores up its pen, it could blow by us too.

 

Some people have expressed that they would be happy to go into next season with this team. Not me. What if Ortiz declines further and Lowell can no longer play? We still don't have a reliable SS, and Tek will be step closer to the bone yard. The FO will need to fill those holes through FA or by trading prospects.

 

This years team is one key acquisition from being the front runners down the stretch and next season. Pitching wins and a top three of Beckett, Lester and Halladay would make any team very good.

[TheKilo]

6 runs should have been enough against these pukes, but it wasn't. When the lineups e posted, I was pissed that Drew was sitting. A number of you posted that Drew doesn't hit lefties well, that Baldelli hits lefties well, and that Drew is 0-3 against Anderson. Drew appears to be coming out of his slump. The other night he was right on everything even against lefties. His 0-3 against Anderson was in the midst of his slump and the team had only 2 hits against him. When Drew is hot, he can carry the team. I don't believe in strict platoons. If you want to get Baldelli into a game, it would have been better sit a slumping Bay. Baldelli got his usual 1 hit and Bay took the collar. Managing by strict platoons and formulas is a cop out. Any monkey can be trained to push a button. If Drew is entering a hot streak, he needs to be in the lineup.

 

As for being mad at Penny, he is our # 3 starter. Smoltz is worse and Buchholz is an unreliable unrefined rookie. The rotation sucks right now, and there is little help on the horizon. Dice K is more than a month away. Masterson doesn't look like the answer. Wakefield will be welcomed back, but he is only one guy and we have 3 bad slots right now. This rotation is not very good right now. It probably is not good enough to provide the strong finish that will be needed.

 

As for the offense, let's not kid ourselves. One big bat is not going to cure the ills of this offense.

Last night we had two Pittsburgh Pirates and a Tampa cast off with an incurable medical condition in the lineup together with a guy with a bad hip, a catcher with one foot in the grave, and a .130 SS. We root for these guys, but they are just not that good.. Bay is no Manny, and three teams have already given up on LaRoche. Long gone are the high octane offenses fueled by Damon, Manny and Ortiz.

 

Can this team win this season? Yes, but without a key trade or two I think it is likely that the Yankees will run away and if Tampa shores up its pen, it could blow by us too.

 

Some people have expressed that they would be happy to go into next season with this team. Not me. What if Ortiz declines further and Lowell can no longer play? We still don't have a reliable SS, and Tek will be step closer to the bone yard. The FO will need to fill those holes through FA or by trading prospects.

 

This years team is one key acquisition from being the front runners down the stretch and next season. Pitching wins and a top three of Beckett, Lester and Halladay would make any team very good.

 

What a fantastic post.

 

I have the same frustrations RE: Drew and lefties, he needs to play more against them, this is a fault of Tito.

[TedWilliams101]

How many times does it need to be said the RBIs are a team dependent statistic?

 

Lol. So, you are defending Drew's abysmal season by saying "RBI's are team dependent!"? It's part of the story. A much much bigger factor in producing RBIs... (and I know this is reaching) is HITTING with RISP. I know, I'm really going out on this one.

 

Stop being stupid (That's what you like to say, right?).

[TedWilliams101]

What a fantastic post.

 

I have the same frustrations RE: Drew and lefties, he needs to play more against them, this is a fault of Tito.

 

Well, it isn't unfounded. Drew hasn't hit LHP well in his career (0.257, 0.362, 0.429, 0.791). I don't think it was a bad idea using Baldelli against LHP.

 

Baldelli has struggled this season against RHP. Against LHP, he is (0.304, 0.368, 0.449, 0.818). Looks like Tito knows what he is doing.

[Dipre]

Lol. So, you are defending Drew's abysmal season by saying "RBI's are team dependent!"? It's part of the story. A much much bigger factor in producing RBIs... (and I know this is reaching) is HITTING with RISP. I know, I'm really going out on this one.

 

Stop being stupid (That's what you like to say, right?).

 

*sigh*

 

Lifetime, JD Drew has a .891 OPS with RISP over 1,097 ABs.

 

This year, Drew has a .635 OPS with RISP, yes, but over 72 ABs.

 

Do you not understand the significance of SSS?

 

Stop being stupid.

[VA Sox Fan]

Well, it isn't unfounded. Drew hasn't hit LHP well in his career (0.257, 0.362, 0.429, 0.791). I don't think it was a bad idea using Baldelli against LHP.

 

Baldelli has struggled this season against RHP. Against LHP, he is (0.304, 0.368, 0.449, 0.818). Looks like Tito knows what he is doing.

 

No he doesn't, we fans that have never managed a MLB team before and don't know everything that goes on behind the scenes do!

[TedWilliams101]

*sigh*

 

Lifetime, JD Drew has a .891 OPS with RISP over 1,097 ABs.

 

This year, Drew has a .635 OPS with RISP, yes, but over 72 ABs.

 

Do you not understand the significance of SSS?

 

Stop being stupid.

 

Lol. This all came from the fact that you snapped at someone complaining about THIS season. And your comment about RBI's still stand. It's not just a team specific stat. Adrian Gonzalez is on the worst hitting team in baseball, yet he doesn't have any problems driving in runs.

[redsoxrules]

Well, it isn't unfounded. Drew hasn't hit LHP well in his career (0.257, 0.362, 0.429, 0.791). I don't think it was a bad idea using Baldelli against LHP.

 

Baldelli has struggled this season against RHP. Against LHP, he is (0.304, 0.368, 0.449, 0.818). Looks like Tito knows what he is doing.

 

LOL, you do realized that's not much diference in those numbers eh? and dont say AVG , thats a missleading stat

 

when Drew is hot he can hit lefties

[redsoxrules]

Lol. This all came from the fact that you snapped at someone complaining about THIS season. And your comment about RBI's still stand. It's not just a team specific stat. Adrian Gonzalez is on the worst hitting team in baseball' date=' yet he doesn't have any problems driving in runs.[/quote']

 

well , its hard to have RBI's when you're hitting leadoff, 2nd or sixth in the lineup

[TedWilliams101]

well ' date=' its hard to have RBI's when you're hitting leadoff, 2nd or sixth in the lineup[/quote']

 

I agree, but it isn't like he was actually hitting in those spots... I didn't say that RBI weren't influenced by the team, they are. I said that it's just part of the story. The same can be said for OBP and overall hitting. Look at how TEX got red hot when Arod came back to the lineup. I'm just saying, the run producing big bats in the majors will get you 100+RBI just about every single season, no matter what team they play for. Obviously those on great offenses will have more opportunities.

 

Also, I don't just look at the RBI total at the end of the season, I like to compare their RBI production with RISP to PA. That tells you everything you need to know.

[Dipre]

Lol. This all came from the fact that you snapped at someone complaining about THIS season. And your comment about RBI's still stand. It's not just a team specific stat. Adrian Gonzalez is on the worst hitting team in baseball' date=' yet he doesn't have any problems driving in runs.[/quote']

 

Gonzales has 59 RBI's, not hitting 1st of 6th, but 3rd of 4th.

 

Do you realize the sheer lack of logic your statement has?

 

With Gonzales' numbers, he should have at least 80 RBI, but the suckitude of the Padres offense don't allow him to.

 

In fact, just so you know how team dependent RBI are, Adrian Gonzales's OPS with RISP stands at .958, while Mark Teixeira's stands at .877, but he has 20 more RBI.

 

You tell me if RBI are not a team dependent stat, champ.

[BoSox21]

RBI is a team-dependent stat to an extent. Some guys have an awful RISP avg compared to their overall avg....like JD Drew

[VA Sox Fan]

Drew: 84 games, 12 HR, 39 RBI

Lowell: 76 games, 11 HR, 49 RBI

[Dipre]

RBI is a team-dependent stat to an extent. Some guys have an awful RISP avg compared to their overall avg....like JD Drew

 

You mean in 72 ABs as compared to the .278 lifetime avg. with RISP in 1,097 ABs INCLUDING this year.

 

Then yes, you're absolutely right.

[a700hitter]

Well, it isn't unfounded. Drew hasn't hit LHP well in his career (0.257, 0.362, 0.429, 0.791). I don't think it was a bad idea using Baldelli against LHP.

 

Baldelli has struggled this season against RHP. Against LHP, he is (0.304, 0.368, 0.449, 0.818). Looks like Tito knows what he is doing.

Drew is hot now. You throw the other numbers out the window and ride the hot streak. Slumping Bay should have sat for Baldelli last night.

[VA Sox Fan]

Drew: 84 games, 12 HR, 39 RBI

Lowell: 76 games, 11 HR, 49 RBI

 

 

Varitek 77 games, 13 HR and 42 RBI.