Red Sox actively pursuing Adrian Gonzalez

[Gom]

I can't believe it took this long. I mentioned this months ago.

 

I should be a GM. f*** being a Banker. How do I sign up? :thumbsup:

[Dojji]

The Sox can pursue him as aggressively as they want, he's still not coming here

[example1]

The Sox can pursue him as aggressively as they want' date=' he's still not coming here[/quote']

 

Why are you so convinced?

[Dojji]

Because of the character of Theo Epstein. He does not overpay. To get Gonzelez out of San Diego, I think you'll agree he'd have to overpay.

[Dipre]

Because of the character of Theo Epstein. He does not overpay. To get Gonzelez out of San Diego' date=' I think you'll agree he'd have to overpay.[/quote']

 

 

If your name is not Theo Epstein or Kevin Towers, then stop downplaying chances for a trade because you're not a mind reader.

 

If they're pursuing him, they're pursuing him for a reason, so stop right now if you're gonna start an MT like hate war, in other words, stop being a douche.

[Dojji]

*shrug* Fine, but Adrian Gonzalez will finish the season a San Diego Padre. He's too good and too cheap for there to be any likelihood that Theo will meet Towers' asking price.

 

And if you'll notice, no one has even suggested that Towers is remotely receptive to this, just that Theo is pursuing it.

[Dipre]

*shrug* Fine' date=' but Adrian Gonzalez [b'] will[/b] finish the season a San Diego Padre.

 

That's a much more sensible statement.

[Dojji]

Just for the fun of it let's try this thought experiment.

 

You're Theo, and you're on the phone with Towers. You want Gonzalez, and Towers comes back with the following offer.

 

To the Boston Red Sox

 

Adrian Gonzalez

 

to the San Diego Padres

 

Lars Anderson

Josh Reddick

Clay Buchholz

Luis Exposito

 

Do you take it and run or do you say no?

[suns]

If red sox get adrian gonzalez do we trade lowell because thats the only way I see him fitting him, which would mean that youk would play 3rd base everyday and adrian and laroche would share time at 1st.

[WhiskeyBreath]

http://www.weei.com/sports/boston/this-just-in/212899/sox-owner-henry-dont-expect-blockbusters

[Dojji]

If red sox get adrian gonzalez do we trade lowell because thats the only way I see him fitting him' date=' which would mean that youk would play 3rd base everyday and adrian and laroche would share time at 1st.[/quote']

 

As I understand it, any acquisition of Gonzalez involves Lowell going under the knife.

[MANNYHOF24]

http://www.weei.com/sports/boston/this-just-in/212899/sox-owner-henry-dont-expect-blockbusters

 

They always say stuff like this.

[Dipre]

http://www.weei.com/sports/boston/this-just-in/212899/sox-owner-henry-dont-expect-blockbusters

 

That almost automatically means they're looking for one.

[WhiskeyBreath]

They always say stuff like this.

 

Indeed. It doesn't rule out a big deal it's just telling fans not to think its a foregone conclusion

that they make a trade for a superstar because the team is scuffling.

[yankeessuck013]

If red sox get adrian gonzalez do we trade lowell because thats the only way I see him fitting him' date=' which would mean that youk would play 3rd base everyday and adrian and laroche would share time at 1st.[/quote']

 

No one will take Lowell right now with his hip. The guy can't get a double deep in the right field corner anymore. You DL him and hope he comes back stronger next year.

[yankeessuck013]

Just for the fun of it let's try this thought experiment.

 

You're Theo, and you're on the phone with Towers. You want Gonzalez, and Towers comes back with the following offer.

 

To the Boston Red Sox

 

Adrian Gonzalez

 

to the San Diego Padres

 

Lars Anderson

Josh Reddick

Clay Buchholz

Luis Exposito

 

Do you take it and run or do you say no?

 

 

If I'm Towers I ask for:

 

-Clay Buchholz

-Lars Anderson

-ONE of Bard/MDC/Masterson

-ONE of Reddick/Westmoreland

 

The Padres can expect a monster haul for him. He's so cheap, and so good, that teams will pretty much need to overpay.

[Dojji]

Not convinced that MDC and Westmoreland is worth more than Expo and Reddick.

[Spudboy]

Because of the character of Theo Epstein. He does not overpay. To get Gonzelez out of San Diego' date=' I think you'll agree he'd have to overpay.[/quote']

 

So Theo has no history of over-paying? Drew, Lugo?

 

Still, I don't see it happening. But I sure would like to see it happen!

[Dojji]

I think Drew and Lugo were a little different. We had no ability to internally replace at those positions. We basically had the choice between JD Drew and David Murphy, Julio Lugo and probably David Eckstein. I don't regret Theo taking the risk on the guy he did in either case.

 

Anyway, in this case even if you don't count Lowell, we do still have LaRoche, Youkilis and Bates in the minors who could be called up on an emergency basis. Lowrie's ability to play 3b is also a factor here. The alternative to overpaying is not a hole at the position in other words.

[Dipre]

I think Drew and Lugo were a little different. We had no ability to internally replace at those positions. We basically had the choice between JD Drew and David Murphy, Julio Lugo and probably David Eckstein. I don't regret Theo taking the risk on the guy he did in either case.

 

Anyway, in this case even if you don't count Lowell, we do still have LaRoche, Youkilis and Bates in the minors who could be called up on an emergency basis. Lowrie's ability to play 3b is also a factor here. The alternative to overpaying is not a hole at the position in other words.

 

We need a big bat, Gonzales is a big bat, and young, if you're gonna overpay for someone, it has to be a player like him.

[WhiskeyBreath]

So Theo has no history of over-paying? Drew, Lugo?

 

Still, I don't se it happening. But I sure would like to see it happen!

 

Over-paying for a free agent is a lot different than over-paying for a player in a trade.

[Dojji]

Sure, but if Theo isn't filling a need, by which I mean a position that has no average or above average players to fill it, I have yet to see him overpay in those situations.

 

i don't think we "need an impact bat." It'd be nice, it'd certainly add wins that could turn out to be critical, but if the ones we have turn in average performances from here on out we should be OK.

[yankeessuck013]

Look at it this way, I don't see Buchholz staying here in the long term because I do think he is a vaulable trading chip to acquire an impact bat that we desperately need in this lineup that can upgrade the Sox not only this year, but for several years to come (Ex. Hanley, Gonzo) which is another reason I don't see us trading for Doc.

[TheKilo]

Just for the fun of it let's try this thought experiment.

 

You're Theo, and you're on the phone with Towers. You want Gonzalez, and Towers comes back with the following offer.

 

To the Boston Red Sox

 

Adrian Gonzalez

 

to the San Diego Padres

 

Lars Anderson

Josh Reddick

Clay Buchholz

Luis Exposito

 

Do you take it and run or do you say no?

 

Take it and run

[SCM33]

Ill say it again.

 

Adrian Gonzalez is making cheap, cheap, cheap money through 2010. Then the club has an option on him in 2011. He is the face of their franchise, hes comfortable there, why would they trade him?

 

I dont think we as RedSox fans look at these deals from the other teams perspective.

 

If I am the Blue Jays, I want at least 5 stud prospects/proven young players. If you dont meet my demands, f*** off.

 

If I am the Padres, I want even more for Gonzalez since he is younger, cheaper and signed through more seasons. If I am the Padres, I want 6-7-8 players for a younger superstar slugger making 3-4M dollars. Why would they settle for less? They are in no hurry to deal him, since he is signed through 2011. We need Gonzalez more than they need our prospects. They (Padres) are in no hurry to rebuild since they are rebuilding every year, and they have the perfect starting point in a younger superstar slugger making pennies.

[TheKilo]

Are you really suggesting an 8-for-1 deal is what it would take to get Gonzalez?

 

He's good and all, but that's ridiculous.

[SCM33]

Just for the fun of it let's try this thought experiment.

 

You're Theo, and you're on the phone with Towers. You want Gonzalez, and Towers comes back with the following offer.

 

To the Boston Red Sox

 

Adrian Gonzalez

 

to the San Diego Padres

 

Lars Anderson

Josh Reddick

Clay Buchholz

Luis Exposito

 

Do you take it and run or do you say no?

 

 

Theo wakes up from his fantasy, its 8 am and he had one hell of a dream. You call Towers and propose those listed players, Towers laughs and hangs up the phone.

[SCM33]

Are you really suggesting an 8-for-1 deal is what it would take to get Gonzalez?

 

He's good and all, but that's ridiculous.

 

Exactly, which is why he wont be traded.....why take anything less for a superstar, 27 years old making 4M through 2011. Crazy is taking anything less.

[Dipre]

Sure, but if Theo isn't filling a need, by which I mean a position that has no average or above average players to fill it, I have yet to see him overpay in those situations.

 

i don't think we "need an impact bat." It'd be nice, it'd certainly add wins that could turn out to be critical, but if the ones we have turn in average performances from here on out we should be OK.

 

Sure you don't.

 

Just like we "don't need Tex" well guess what?

 

WE f***ING NEEDED TEX AND IT'S OBVIOUS NOW BECAUE THE OFFENSE IS GETTING EXPOSED.

 

Piece of advice:

 

Cut your losses and don't fight this battle.

 

The only person who thinks this team doesn't need a bat is you, because apparently you live with the f***ing Teletubbies or something.

[Dipre]

Theo wakes up from his fantasy' date=' its 8 am and he had one hell of a dream. You call Towers and propose those listed players, Towers laughs and hangs up the phone.[/quote']

 

No.

 

Towers takes it because he knows the value of such a package.

 

You're being ridiculous, 3 top 100 players and a C with huge upside for Gonzales is a great haul.