All that is Halladay

[jacksonianmarch]

go for it

[BoSox21]

A Gentlemen's Challenge...HUZZAH!

[Dojji]

Argenis Diaz

Calix Crabbe

Luis Valbuena

Tony Pena, Jr

Luis Hernandez

John McDonald

Ronny Cedeno

Nick Green

Yuniesky Betancourt

Willy Aybar

[Dojji]

Even if you disagree with some of the names I name, the point stands that Ramiro Pena is an eminently replaceable guy. His extreme upside is Maicer Izturis or Marco Scutaro, two pretty replaceable guys in their own right.

[BSN07]

Argenis Diaz

Calix Crabbe

Luis Valbuena

Tony Pena, Jr

Luis Hernandez

John McDonald

Ronny Cedeno

Nick Green

Yuniesky Betancourt

Willy Aybar

 

wut lol

 

Touche Dojji;)

 

Slick fielding noodle bats are a dime a dozen.

[Dojji]

They're also pretty useful to have around, as we're finding out with Green. That arm of his has saved us quite a bit of trouble. But there NOT that hard to find if you really need one.

[TheKilo]

Yuniesky Betancourt blows defensively.

[Dojji]

Really? When I've seen him in action he looked pretty good, and he was supposed to be this fielding maestro.

 

EDIT: Just looked up the numbes. Wow, OUCH. What the heck happened?

[BSN07]

Yuniesky was a pretty good fielder. Then he caught Lugoitis and fell to s***.

[Dipre]

Argenis Diaz

Calix Crabbe

Luis Valbuena

Tony Pena, Jr

Luis Hernandez

John McDonald

Ronny Cedeno

Nick Green

Yuniesky Betancourt

Erick Aybar

 

Fixed.

[Dojji]

What exactly did you fix? Sorry, I've got my stupid on this morning, having a little trouble seeing the obvious.

[BoSox21]

he replaced Aybars. Erick for Willy

[jacksonianmarch]

Even if you disagree with some of the names I name' date=' the point stands that Ramiro Pena is an eminently replaceable guy. His extreme upside is Maicer Izturis or Marco Scutaro, two pretty replaceable guys in their own right.[/quote']

 

By the way, half your list is god awful defensively. Just because they are hispanic and wiry doesnt mean they are the same. The point is, Pena could be a starting shortstop in this league based on superior defense alone. A lot of teams, expecially in the NL, have players at SS with limited offensive capability but slick hands. He has that. Is he an elite talent? Hell no. Is he replaceable, absolutely. But it doesnt mean he is worthless. Hell, the sox just signed the Cuban version of Ramiro Pena for 8 mil. I am really trying to show you that being a great defender at SS is worth something. Your franchise recognizes this (need I remind you of 2004). But you fail to recognize it because he is a yankee.

[BSN07]

By the way' date=' half your list is god awful defensively. Just because they are hispanic and wiry doesnt mean they are the same. The point is, Pena could be a starting shortstop in this league based on superior defense alone. A lot of teams, expecially in the NL, have players at SS with limited offensive capability but slick hands. He has that. Is he an elite talent? Hell no. Is he replaceable, absolutely. But it doesnt mean he is worthless. Hell, the sox just signed the Cuban version of Ramiro Pena for 8 mil. I am really trying to show you that being a great defender at SS is worth something. Your franchise recognizes this (need I remind you of 2004). But you fail to recognize it because he is a yankee.[/quote']

 

I keep reading his glove compared to Ozzie Smith. That's a big big statement. Whether it's true IDK. I haven't seen him play. But if it is, the 8M is justifiable.

[jacksonianmarch]

His glove scales out to an 80 on the 20-80 scale. Pena's does as well.

[BSN07]

His glove scales out to an 80 on the 20-80 scale. Pena's does as well.

 

Fair enough. Although I don't know a lot about the scale.

[Dojji]

He's saying that Pena is pretty much a generational talent defensively. Quite the stretch.

[jacksonianmarch]

actually, I am stating fact. Generational talent or no, Pena grades out as an 80 on the 20-80 scale defensively.

[Dojji]

By the way' date=' half your list is god awful defensively. Just because they are hispanic and wiry doesnt mean they are the same. The point is, Pena could be a starting shortstop in this league based on superior defense alone. A lot of teams, expecially in the NL, have players at SS with limited offensive capability but slick hands. He has that. Is he an elite talent? Hell no. Is he replaceable, absolutely. But it doesnt mean he is worthless. Hell, the sox just signed the Cuban version of Ramiro Pena for 8 mil. I am really trying to show you that being a great defender at SS is worth something. Your franchise recognizes this (need I remind you of 2004). But you fail to recognize it because he is a yankee.[/quote']

 

Nice try.

 

Now try going back in this conversation and reading where you started this by saying that Pena represents a significant trading piece, one who could be a named player rather than a PTBNL in a Halladay deal. You just admitted in this very post that you KNOW he isn't. To most normal people that's called LOSING an argument.

[jacksonianmarch]

You just dont get it.

[Dojji]

From you, this is rich.

[Dipre]

Lol Ramiro Pena lol.

 

You know, in Jacko's defense, if Pena could actually muster a bit of patience at the dish he could start for a ML team.

 

The Natinals say hello.Cristian Guzman is about to become too rich for their blood.

[Dojji]

If Doug Mirabelli could muster a bit of speed he could steal bases too.

[BoSox21]

amazing, the Halladay thread went into Ramiro Pena talk

[Dojji]

That's the Jacko Factor for ya.

[Dutchy]

His glove scales out to an 80 on the 20-80 scale. Pena's does as well.

 

Source?

[VA Sox Fan]

Don’t expect shakeup

Roster makeup pleases Epstein

 

By Adam Kilgore

 

Globe Staff / July 18, 2009

 

TORONTO - With no obvious need on his roster and no prominent problems in the clubhouse (remember last year?), general manager Theo Epstein intimated yesterday the Red Sox will have a mostly quiet trade deadline. And, without naming this season’s most high-profile potential trade chip or addressing him directly, Epstein built an argument against acquiring Blue Jays starter Roy Halladay.

 

The two weeks between the All-Star break and July 31 is typically the most active dealing period of the year. The Red Sox under Epstein have proven to be creative and thorough, but any moves will not likely be headline stealers. Rather, Epstein said, the Sox will try to add depth, as they did last season in acquiring Mark Kotsay in August.

 

“I don’t think we have one glaring weakness, which I think speaks to the great job the players on this club have been doing in the first half,’’ he said. “At the same, I think there are opportunities to get better. Exactly which opportunities we pursue or try to pursue relates probably more to health than anything else.

 

“We want to create as much depth and redundancy as we possibly can. If you don’t address depth before July 31 or in some cases in August, then you’re left without an opportunity to do so down the stretch and to help the team, we hope, in another postseason.’’

 

The biggest move the Sox could make, of course, is a trade for Halladay, whom the Blue Jays may be hesitant to move within the American League East. The Blue Jays want a bevy of prospects, and the Red Sox possess a talented reservoir of potential major leaguers, but Epstein wants to build his organization with them, not trade them away.

 

Epstein cannot speak publicly about another team’s player, but he responded to a question about the temptation of trying to trade for a premier starting pitcher.

 

“It’s always tempting, but it always comes at great cost,’’ Epstein said. “When you do it through the free agent market, it comes with tremendous risk in terms of the years and dollars you have to spend. If you do it through trade, it comes at tremendous cost - basically your best and most promising prospects, the core of your organization in a lot of ways.

 

“The only way to do it that seems to make the most sense is develop them from within. We’re lucky that we have a talented starting pitching corps. We’ll see what happens on the trade front. Trades are always tempting, but those temptations always come at a cost.’’

[Dipre]

If Doug Mirabelli could muster a bit of speed he could steal bases too.

 

Sarcastic joke detection fail.

 

If Theo's so vehemently denying the desire to trade for Halladay, that means he's probably looking into it.

[VA Sox Fan]

Sarcastic joke detection fail.

 

If Theo's so vehemently denying the desire to trade for Halladay, that means he's probably looking into it.

 

Maybe. I guess we'll know by July 31st.

[Cocos Disciples]

I certainly don't expect to get Halladay, but I think some kind of move will be made.