All that is Halladay

[BSN07]

Figured with his name coming up in so many threads he deserved his own. I guess the Mods can put all the Halladay posts in here if they feel up to it.

 

 

We all know the usual suspects for his landing spot. But I'd like to throw in a dark horse. the Rockies. There in contention and Halladay lives there in the off season. Not sure what they can offer but they might be a candidate.

 

 

 

 

Well I'm off to London for a Baseball tournament this weekend. Check you guys later:thumbsup:

[CrespoBlows]

It would be a foolhardy gamble. The Rockies aren't World Series contenders, and a medium market club mortgaging their future to increase their very long odds of winning a World Series would be incredibly short-sighted.

 

The Dodgers could probably guarantee themselves a spot in the World Series, if they made the move for Halladay.

[msubulldogs21]

and a medium market club mortgaging their future to increase their very long odds of winning a World Series would be incredibly short-sighted.

 

Kind of like what Milwaukee did last year getting Sabathia, only Halladay's price tag will be even more.

[jacksonianmarch]

The Guardians wanted an impact player down the road, which Laporta fit. I would assume Ricciardi wants MLB ready talent that has already shown some success in the bigs. LA would be perfect. They could start a deal with Kemp or with Kershaw while adding in some of their MiLB depth.

[Dipre]

The Guardians wanted an impact player down the road' date=' which Laporta fit. I would assume Ricciardi wants MLB ready talent that has already shown some success in the bigs. LA would be perfect. They could start a deal with Kemp or with Kershaw while adding in some of their MiLB depth.[/quote']

 

I don't think Kemp's gonna be traded.

 

Also, again, the Jays have stated the centerpiece of any deal are an MLB-ready SS and a SP.

[jacksonianmarch]

they can state anything they want. They wont get everything they want. They also wanted to join Wells with Halladay to make it a salary dump as well.

[Dipre]

they can state anything they want. They wont get everything they want. They also wanted to join Wells with Halladay to make it a salary dump as well.

 

Of course they can.

 

They'll get whatever specific pieces they want for Halladay.

[Dojji]

If they're not prepared to be at least a little flexible though, they won't get the best possible return of talent.

[jacksonianmarch]

you honestly believe that. You think they will get a future All Star SS and a future top of the rotation starter? You think they will get both? Really? Well then, if they get those players, wont the team trading for Halladay be creating some holes? Those types of players dont grow on trees you know

[Dojji]

you honestly believe that. You think they will get a future All Star SS and a future top of the rotation starter? You think they will get both?

 

I dunno about Dipre, but I do. that's actually a reasonable return for one of the best players at one of the most premium positions in baseball. The only question to their ability to do that is can you find both guys on one team.

 

Frankly, the Sox are in a better than average position to be that team depending on what the Jays think of Lowrie. He was above average defensively last year and has nice offensive upside, especially for a SS. Throw in Buchholz and you have the nucleus of an offer that would at least get Toronto to tell you specifically what more they wanted. It's better than Ramiro Pena and Phil Hughes anyway.

 

Lowrie, Buchholz, Anderson, Exposito, would be an attractive Halladay package. Maybe not the best out there, but competitive, and arguably better than what we reportedly offered for Johan Santana in the '07 offseason

[Dipre]

you honestly believe that. You think they will get a future All Star SS and a future top of the rotation starter? You think they will get both? Really? Well then' date=' if they get those players, wont the team trading for Halladay be creating some holes? Those types of players dont grow on trees you know[/quote']

 

No, but they sure as f*** ain't gonna get Ramiro Pena.

[jacksonianmarch]

If they're not prepared to be at least a little flexible though' date=' they won't get the best possible return of talent.[/quote']

 

Ding, ding, ding. They will absolutely have to be flexible or it will not happen, period. If the Jays want a future franchise SS, they only have 2 teams to deal with. TB or Milwaukee (Beckham and Alcides Escobar). If they want a guy in the bigs right now, they'd have to deal with Texas or Atlanta (Andrus or Yunel Escobar). Thats about it. They will have to settle for players who might not be future stars at that position so they can acquire future stars at another one

[Dipre]

Ding' date=' ding, ding. They will absolutely have to be flexible or it will not happen, period. If the Jays want a future franchise SS, they only have 2 teams to deal with. TB or Milwaukee (Beckham and Alcides Escobar). If they want a guy in the bigs right now, they'd have to deal with Texas or Atlanta (Andrus or Yunel Escobar). Thats about it. They will have to settle for players who might not be future stars at that position so they can acquire future stars at another one[/quote']

 

You know how i know you're not very smart?

 

Who do you think Toronto is dealing, Randy Wolf?

 

This is Roy Halladay, we're talking about an elite MLB player.

 

Don't expect them to s*** the bed like Minessota did with Johan.

 

If they want a specific player package, they'll get it without minimizing potential return.

 

And since you're talking about Texas, they're actually the best prepared team to make a deal with Toronto if it came to it.

[Dojji]

Other potential sources of MLB ready or near-ready quality shortstops

 

Phillies. Jason Donald.

 

Angels. Brandon Wood and Sean Rodriguez

 

Red Sox. Jed Lowrie.

[Dipre]

Other potential sources of MLB ready or near-ready quality shortstops

 

Phillies. Jason Donald.

 

Angels. Brandon Wood and Sean Rodriguez

 

Red Sox. Jed Lowrie.

 

It's not that hard to come up with a list of teams who could actually prepare a package to Toronto's liking.

[Dojji]

More to their liking than Ramiro Pena and Phil Hughes at least.

[Dipre]

More to their liking than Ramiro Pena and Phil Hughes at least.

 

Jacko's arguing with me on this because he's butthurt from when i told them the Yanks can't prepare a suitable package for Halladay.

 

And guess what?

 

They can't.

[a700hitter]

Jacko's arguing with me on this because he's butthurt from when i told them the Yanks can't prepare a suitable package for Halladay.

 

And guess what?

 

They can't.

I am no expert on the yankee minor league system, but I heard one of the guys from the MLB Network say that their farm system is underrated, and that they could probably put together an attractive package of prospects for Halladay. All I know, is that the Sox FO must do its best to keep him from the Yankees. He would bring them a World Series title.

[Dipre]

I am no expert on the yankee minor league system' date=' but I heard one of the guys from the MLB Network say that their farm system is underrated, and that they could probably put together an attractive package of prospects for Halladay. All I know, is that the Sox FO must do its best to keep him from the Yankees. He would bring them a World Series title.[/quote']

 

The problem is, the Yankees are heavily counting on a lot of the prospects that could appeal to the Jays to be part of their team as early as next season (See: Jackson, Austin), almost everyone in the league can put together a package to get Halladay, but are 1.5 years of Halladay enough to ravage a farm system?

 

The team that gets him must be able to handle the ripple effect through its farm system.

 

Can the Yankees do it?

[a700hitter]

The problem is, the Yankees are heavily counting on a lot of the prospects that could appeal to the Jays to be part of their team as early as next season (See: Jackson, Austin), almost everyone in the league can put together a package to get Halladay, but are 1.5 years of Halladay enough to ravage a farm system?

 

The team that gets him must be able to handle the ripple effect through its farm system.

 

Can the Yankees do it?

I think they are desperate to win now.

[Dipre]

I think they are desperate to win now.

 

Then by all means they should send Montero, Jackson, Hughes, Pena and a 5th low to mid level prospect for Halladay.

 

It'll bite their ass as soon as next year.

[jacksonianmarch]

I am no expert on the yankee minor league system' date=' but I heard one of the guys from the MLB Network say that their farm system is underrated, and that they could probably put together an attractive package of prospects for Halladay. All I know, is that the Sox FO must do its best to keep him from the Yankees. He would bring them a World Series title.[/quote']

 

the public perception is that they are underrated. In scouting circles they are not. Scouts love the yankee SS's in Pena and Nunez. They love Pena because of his slick glove and great range. They love Nunez because he is just starting to hit and has a lot of power projection as a 22 yr old. People who watch him play make correlations between him and Hanley Ramirez at similar ages. These are things that BA and other scouting sites dont actually see. Unless their area scouts go and see these players, most of the SR's they are dealing off of are over a yr old. This is why guys "burst" onto the prospect scene when they finally put it together. If they had been scouted appropriately by the supposed expert sites, they wouldnt have been surprised by the players breakout. Regardless, I know I am taking a roundabout way towards making my point. The yankees system has a lot more talent than anyone on this site can give them credit for. Just remember last yrs deal for Nady and Marte, as we dealt off guys who truly werent counted on and a reclamation project to get the best bat and the best lefty reliever on the market. Dont think it couldnt happen again. For Halladay, though, it will have to hurt at least a little bit.

[jacksonianmarch]

Then by all means they should send Montero, Jackson, Hughes, Pena and a 5th low to mid level prospect for Halladay.

 

It'll bite their ass as soon as next year.

 

There is no possible way we deal that much for Halladay and no team will make an offer that beats the above deal if we did propose it. I dont know what you are smoking, but two of the best pitchers in baseball were dealt over the past 2 seasons. Santana went for a lot of promise without a lot of "right now" talent. Sabathia went for one potential impact bat. In this economy (where prospects are much better businesswise), a 32 yr old pitcher is not going to fetch as much as you are proposing. One potential all star and one good prospect will likely do the trick. Or one potential all star and a package of guys who could fill the need in the distant future

[Dojji]

[table]Topic|Team|Content

Prospect|Yankees|The player in question is made of 150% pure awesomeness. Fear us.

Prospect|Sox|He could be good, but this is why he won't be.

Signing|Yankees|This is the missing piece. We'll win 160 games, and the umps will screw us out of 2.

Signing|Sox|Risky move, overpaid here, they'll regret this.

Injury|Yankees|They don't get hurt. Hypothetically, if they did, the recovery will be speedy with no impact to ability.

Injury|Sox|Everyone is a ticking time bomb. Once hurt, they'll never heal right.[/table]

[Dipre]

There is no possible way we deal that much for Halladay and no team will make an offer that beats the above deal if we did propose it. I dont know what you are smoking' date=' but two of the best pitchers in baseball were dealt over the past 2 seasons. Santana went for a lot of promise without a lot of "right now" talent. Sabathia went for one potential impact bat. In this economy (where prospects are much better businesswise), a 32 yr old pitcher is not going to fetch as much as you are proposing. One potential all star and one good prospect will likely do the trick. Or one potential all star and a package of guys who could fill the need in the distant future[/quote']

 

I'm apparently smoking all of the ******** you spew on this site.

 

If the Yankees wanna offer that much for Halladay and ravage their farm system, for the love of God , do it.

 

And don't be a f***ing idiot, Halladay might be 32, but the Jays are dealing from a position of strength with him.

 

They don't NEED to deal him.

 

To deal him, they'll have to be swept off their feet with an offer.

 

And let me tell you something else, you're full of ******** if you don't think the Jays can play the Yanks, Rangers, Phillies, Angels and Sox adn ransack someone's farm system at the level of the deal i proposed.

 

Baseball is business, not a feeding system for the Yankees like you seem to think.

[TheKilo]

[table]Topic|Team|Content

Prospect|Yankees|The player in question is made of 150% pure awesomeness. Fear us.

Prospect|Sox|He could be good, but this is why he won't be.

Signing|Yankees|This is the missing piece. We'll win 160 games, and the umps will screw us out of 2.

Signing|Sox|Risky move, overpaid here, they'll regret this.

Injury|Yankees|They don't get hurt. Hypothetically, if they did, the recovery will be speedy with no impact to ability.

Injury|Sox|Everyone is a ticking time bomb. Once hurt, they'll never heal right.[/table]

 

At this point a mod should just put this in jacko's sig.

[Rdsxmbnt]

There is no possible way we deal that much for Halladay and no team will make an offer that beats the above deal if we did propose it. I dont know what you are smoking' date=' but two of the best pitchers in baseball were dealt over the past 2 seasons. Santana went for a lot of promise without a lot of "right now" talent. Sabathia went for one potential impact bat. In this economy (where prospects are much better businesswise), a 32 yr old pitcher is not going to fetch as much as you are proposing. One potential all star and one good prospect will likely do the trick. Or one potential all star and a package of guys who could fill the need in the distant future[/quote']

 

I completely agree with this. The Jays are in a neutral position in terms of trading Halladay, not a position of strength. They aren't going anywhere, Halladay is getting older, and the franchise is becoming strapped for cash. Waiting to deal him is only lessening his value.

 

Buchholz, Lowrie, Anderson, AND Exposito????? That is f***ing insane and no team has offered anywhere near that much value for a 32 year old pitcher in a long time. Not even Santana in his prime netted anywhere near that type of package. Plus you figure in that Halladay is owed huge money in about a year and that's an easy decision to turn down.

[Jacoby_Ellsbury]

[table]Topic|Team|Content

Prospect|Yankees|The player in question is made of 150% pure awesomeness. Fear us.

Prospect|Sox|He could be good, but this is why he won't be.

Signing|Yankees|This is the missing piece. We'll win 160 games, and the umps will screw us out of 2.

Signing|Sox|Risky move, overpaid here, they'll regret this.

Injury|Yankees|They don't get hurt. Hypothetically, if they did, the recovery will be speedy with no impact to ability.

Injury|Sox|Everyone is a ticking time bomb. Once hurt, they'll never heal right.[/table]

Yes... yes... yes... yes... Dojji pwned someone...

[Rdsxmbnt]

Yes... yes... yes... yes... Dojji pwned someone...

 

No he didn't

[TheKilo]

What kind of package are people thinking the Blue Jays are going to ask for?

 

I mean, if you look at the Bartolo Colon trade to Montreal from Cleveland, here's what the Guardians got:

 

Brandon Phillips (#20 ranked prospect by BBA in 2002, #7 in 2003)

Cliff Lee (Unranked, ranked #30 in 2003)

Grady Sizemore (Unranked, #9 in 2004)

 

So, in essence, they got a highly regarded position player, a high-upside OF, and a decent SP prospect for Colon.

 

What would the Jays be looking for? Here's my guess:

 

Lars

Bowden

Reddick/Kalish

 

That's a pretty nice haul for a 1.5 year rental (and you have that long to try to work out an extension).