Breaking News: Manny Suspended 50 Games for PEDs

[ORS]

"Revenues at an all-time" high is a bit misleading. Yes, in recent years they set new records for revenues. No chance this coincided with the massive expansion of the connected world and a period of economic expansion?

 

I can get why you think interest wouldn't be sufficient to support united action, but I don't think recent revenues are a good reason to support that. Unless it is expressed as some sort of rate/ratio, gross numbers, particularly ones concerning money, will be misleading. Inflation alone makes this so.

[example1]

I'm sure they would unite behind the cause but how far would fans be willing to go to force the issue? They would have to take their dollars out of the game and that means not buying any more merchandise or going to games. They'd also have to stop watching games on TV forcing advertisers on TV networks to pull their ads thus costing MLB a ton of money.

 

They're already backing down from attending games and I'm willing to bet that in a few months we'll hear reports about how many fewer $200+ jerseys are being sold during this recession.

 

You laid out a blueprint of what lower popularity would look like... let's wait and see how it plays out.

[Teddyballgame10]

Bill Simmons is a douchebag.

 

No hes not hes a genius, although I don't like the newest article about Manny. I disagree with him and I wont look at that championship any other way. Technichally they were on an even playing field as he says. I wont think any differently of the championship though.

[CrespoBlows]

No hes not hes a genius' date=' although I don't like the newest article about Manny. I disagree with him and I wont look at that championship any other way. Technichally they were on an even playing field as he says. I wont think any differently of the championship though.[/quote']

 

'Genius' is an antonym for Bill Simmons.

[jacksonianmarch]

This article makes me want to kick babies.

http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/page2/story?page=simmons/090507&sportCat=mlb

 

Its actually very good. For those of you who absolutely despise cheating, then you have to read this. For those of you who understand that it is part of our culture and dont really care, then it shouldnt bother you.

[jacksonianmarch]

from this link :

 

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=4148907

 

comes the following:

 

"testing by Major League Baseball showed that Ramirez had testosterone in his body that was not natural and came from an artificial source, two people with knowledge of the case told ESPN's Mark Fainaru-Wada and T.J. Quinn. The sources said that in addition to the artificial testosterone, Ramirez was identified as using the female fertility drug human chorionic gonadotropin, or hCG."

 

OK, so he had unnatural testosterone in his body AND HCG, which as I mentioned in earlier posts is a key post-steroid cycle substance in order to avoid a host of problems that accompany steroid-induced shut down of natural testosterone production.

 

Guilty as a motha f***a.

 

Agreed

[crossfire726]

well im pretty disappointed in manny. but im not too surprised. the thing that would be shocking to me is if some how ken griffey tested positive. He seems to be the only clean one among the rest of the cheaters from the 90's.

[jacksonianmarch]

Nothing would surprise me. But if there is anything for his case is that he did all his damage in his prime and absolutely collapsed once he turned 30

[castigs850]

jesus, this guy is a f*** and a half. he got his money, had this year and next. he had his rings. and he had the benefit of the doubt. there was no reason to take steroids anymore.

[MannybeingBarryBonds]

Honestly im not surprised however I thought manny had a pretty big dick. dude must of been horny for his wife, she better be hot and he better of provided and if he didn't shame on him for tainting his career. damn manny just use those penis enlarging commercials they always show on tv. you can have a larger dick for the cost of a postage stamp. if it didn't work would they be able to do that? exaclty manny. damn man i wont be surprised if miguel cabrera, albert pujols, shane vicorino, fielder and justin upton are all on steroids but none will ever be on dick or sex enlargements.

[RobiForMVP]

Honestly im not surprised however I thought manny had a pretty big dick. dude must of been horny for his wife' date=' she better be hot and he better of provided and if he didn't shame on him for tainting his career. damn manny just use those penis enlarging commercials they always show on tv. you can have a larger dick for the cost of a postage stamp. if it didn't work would they be able to do that? exaclty manny. damn man i wont be surprised if miguel cabrera, albert pujols, shane vicorino, fielder and justin upton are all on steroids but none will ever be on dick or sex enlargements.[/quote']

 

WTF??

[MannybeingBarryBonds]

What son? got a problem with my post?

[castigs850]

the old lady in the tub gives me wood every time

[MannybeingBarryBonds]

Id give you wood but i don't provide enough, i better use some sex performance enhancing drugs to provide enough for you. me and manny are tight he can give me some sex enhancers like santonio holmes gets weed. hell steelers have a guy named sweed you feel me.

[Gom]

What's really funny is that people believed he started doing this AFTER he left Boston.

 

Right....

[RHS]

the thing that would be shocking to me is if some how ken griffey tested positive. He seems to be the only clean one among the rest of the cheaters from the 90's.

 

Agree in that KGJ being linked in anyway would be pretty upsetting and shocking for me.

[rician blast]

What's really funny is that people believed he started doing this AFTER he left Boston.

 

Right....

 

you saying you think that is the prevailing notion? I don't think so. Some may think he just started, but I think the majority of fans probably suspect this goes back a ways. The 90's were a big time for steroid use and he broke in during that era, on a team with several guys who I suspect used (Albert Belle, Thome, et al). I'd guess there's a good chance he did it back then.

[rician blast]

the thing that would be shocking to me is if some how ken griffey tested positive. He seems to be the only clean one among the rest of the cheaters from the 90's.

 

Curious...why do people think he's clean and has always been so? What is this notion based upon?

[jacksonianmarch]

What's really funny is that people believed he started doing this AFTER he left Boston.

 

Right....

 

But ARod has been JUICING IN NY!!! Kinda funny. Here's a shocking revelation. ARod juiced in NY. Manny juiced in Boston.

[BSN07]

That's exactly what I"m saying too ORS. No team should put up with this s***. First, big market teams start refusing to sign those guys; next, those players' agents (like Boras) start enforcing it, doing their own testing, etc., to ensure that their guys come with a stamp of approval.

 

BoSox21, I think your "this rests solely with the player" approach negates the role that the players association has and that the cutthroat agents have in promoting their players and the game itself. Between A-Rod and Manny this is plenty of reason for teams to just avoid Boras altogether. He brags about how much his players contribute to winning, but does he give a f*** about how much his players have impacted fans trust of the game itself?

 

THe game is extremely popular, yes, but it is losing popularity compared to football--a sport that doesn't seem to have the same impact of steroids despite its obvious usage. To me, steroids get to the heart of what is valuable to many baseball fans: numbers, consistency, records, individual performance within a team framework. Football can get away with an OLB being suspended for 4 games because the games that Shaun Merriman misses aren't filled with "merriman would have made that tackle" comments the same way that replacing Manny Ramirez with league average LF is an obvious pain for the team.

Agree

I honestly don't believe that the casual fan cares all that much about players using PEDs. Sure when ESPN.com has a poll asking "Are you outraged?", 85% will say yes but how many of them would honestly boycott the game?

 

If I lived in Boston and news came out that Ortiz failed a drug test, it wouldn't keep me from watching games on NESN or going to Fenway

Agree

I disagree. Baseball revenues are at an all-time high. Look' date=' I love the idealism of a fan boycott of all things MLB but I think it's a lot of wishful thinking.[/quote']

It's the same as everyone talking about boycotting the Gas stations. It sounds good, but no one ever does it.

What's really funny is that people believed he started doing this AFTER he left Boston.

 

Right....

I said it sarcastically earlier. To believe it would be utterly moronic.

But ARod has been JUICING IN NY!!! Kinda funny. Here's a shocking revelation. ARod juiced in NY. Manny juiced in Boston.

I'm with you here.

[Mr Crunchy]

I look for the mysterious injuries and great differences in power #s when i suspect someone of cheating but im not naive enuff to think Mannys been clean since day 1 either.

It just surprises me that he never got caught till yesterday

then you look at the shocking disparity in homers he hit in Boston and his surge in Los Angeles after he left...

20/80? in 2007 in 133 games

20/? in 100 games in boston

17hrs in 53 games in Los Angeles....

Clemens did the same s*** when Duquette ruled him past his prime.

The sox made Clemens the highest paid player in the game with a 5/25 yr deal and Clem was what?

41-40??39-40?? essentially a .500 pitcher for 5 yrs.

He leaves boston wanting to play for a contender closer to texas and decides on a last place team in f***ing canada?...The rest is history and Brian Mcnamee is holding the evidence.

Too bad

But we won last night and NY lost,

its 75 degrees today with brilliant sunshine and life goes on my friends.

[Gom]

Great article on Manny/Papi and the Red Sox.

 

http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/page2/story?page=simmons/090507&sportCat=mlb

[BoSox21]

proof that you havent followed the thread, that article's already been posted, assclown

[rician blast]

Great article on Manny/Papi and the Red Sox.

 

http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/page2/story?page=simmons/090507&sportCat=mlb

 

great article? how so?

[Gom]

Well-written.

[ORS]

How can it not be great? It's full of completely thoughtless assumption that the drooling masses eat up like ice cream, and on top of that, it's all bad for the Red Sox. With those two criteria met, the only way it could suit Gom better is if he wrote it so he could pat himself on the back for it.

[Gom]

How can it not be great? It's full of completely thoughtless assumption that the drooling masses eat up like ice cream' date=' and on top of that, it's all bad for the Red Sox. With those two criteria met, the only way it could suit Gom better is if he wrote it so he could pat himself on the back for it.[/quote']

 

Wow...you really live in your own little world, don't you? A world where the Yankees are evil, the Red Sox are good and honest and clean. I just like a little reality in my life.

 

It's what I've been saying for years. Just written better than I could write it. No Manny, no juice, and Ortiz is nothing more than a scrub player. Your hero, Manny cheated. You don't win without Manny. You know it. So you're great season, the great comeback, was orchestrated by frauds. Great day for Yankee fans.

[BoSox21]

So you're great season' date=' the great comeback, was orchestrated by frauds. Great day for Yankee fans.[/quote']

 

You stupid idiot, the great comeback came against a team with Sheffield and A-Rod on it. Go camping on a pig farm in Mexico, douchebag.

[TheKilo]

Wow...you really live in your own little world, don't you? A world where the Yankees are evil, the Red Sox are good and honest and clean. I just like a little reality in my life.

 

It's what I've been saying for years. Just written better than I could write it. No Manny, no juice, and Ortiz is nothing more than a scrub player. Your hero, Manny cheated. You don't win without Manny. You know it. So you're great season, the great comeback, was orchestrated by frauds. Great day for Yankee fans.

 

lol wow what a mouth breather

 

Pretty weak trolling attempt.

[PhuckTheSox]

So, this is what helped the Sox win their title?