Yankees deal for Cameron

[jacksonianmarch]

http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/baseball/yankees/2008/12/11/2008-12-11_sources_yankees_to_trade_melky_cabrera_t-1.html

 

All they dealt was Melky. Wow.

[jacksonianmarch]

I understand that Cameron is getting towards the end of the line, but he is much better than Melky. In 08, he posted a .808OPS. He is still one of the best defensive CFers in baseball. He can still steal a base and hit homers (17 and 25 respectively in 08) and the best part is his patience. He K's a ton, but he saw 4.2P/PA last yr which was 10th in all of baseball. As it stands, the yankees have...

 

3 players who posted 4+ P/PA

#1- Swisher- 4.51

#10- Cameron- 4.21

#23- Johnny Damon- 4.10

 

ARod was 3.88, Posada's career #s are in the 3.8-4 range, and Matsui has been above 4 twice in his career. That's 6 guys in the lineup with a history of chewing through pitching. Jeter (3.75), Nady (3.6) and Cano (3.3) dont see as many pitches, but to have a lineup that averages 35 pitches per 9 man turn is phenomenal. That brings us right back to where the sox were (35.2) in terms of P/9 man turn. The more you grind pitchers the better your lineup will be.

[BoSox21]

I think the fact that he makes $10 million on a small market team MAY have had a factor in it...

[BSN07]

Well there go the Manny to NY rumors. Damon and Matsui will be holding down LF with Nady in RF?

[riverside sluggers]

Id imagine--

 

Matsui DH

Damon LF

Cameron CF

Nady RF

 

EDIT: The deal could be expanded to include Bill Hall

 

http://www.jsonline.com/blogs/sports/35957884.html

[jacksonianmarch]

I think the fact that he makes $10 million on a small market team MAY have had a factor in it...

 

The deal has been talked about for weeks and the only sticking point was how much salary the brewers would eat. If we give them Melky and they eat some salary then that

s a frickin steal.

[Paradisecity]

The fact that it f***s over Manny makes me like it- for all other reasons its a good move for the yanks.

[BoSox21]

If the Brewers eat some of the salary for a player they're sending to the Yankees, thats a joke

[Dipre]

If the Brewers eat some of the salary for a player they're sending to the Yankees' date=' thats a joke[/quote']

 

Not a joke, more of an ironic punchline really.

 

The rumor says the Brewers would acquire a pitcher, and his quality would depend on the amount of Cameron's salary the Brewers were willing to eat.

 

http://www.nypost.com/seven/12112008/sports/yankees/yanks_offer_cabrera_for_mike_cameron_143713.htm

[TheKilo]

Is this final? All I've heard was they were close to making a deal.

[yeszir]

Bust

 

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[26 to 6]

It's not done, it's close. And we would be sending a pitcher back as well, but who depends on how much salary they want to eat of Cameron's. I really do NOT like this deal. I would have rather signed Griffey or made a run at Ichiro. I HATE Kameron. I hope this falls through at the last second.

 

Well there go the Manny to NY rumors. Damon and Matsui will be holding down LF with Nady in RF?

How do you figure? This doesn't change the numbers game one bit if we move Melky in this deal. Manny could still DH if another OFer is moved. I'm hoping that's the case, because Swisher and Cameron replacing Giambi and Abreu offensively just does NOT cut it.

 

And if this does go through, you guys know how I feel about Melky, hopefully he gets a fair shot out there and excels. I'll be pulling for him.

[BSN07]

The Yanks can't fill the DH spot with Manny, until they know Posada can catch full time. If Posada can't he will need time at 1B and DH.

[26 to 6]

Girardi is good at mixing and matching and knowing what buttons to push and when to give guys rest, much like Torre was. If Posada needs to DH then Manny can spell Damon in left a few days. Or Posada can get a first baseman's glove and do some work there. From what I hear though as Posada has started his throwing program, he should be fine behind the plate this year. Hopefully.

[example1]

Good luck with that one. I don't like Cameron as a player that much so good riddance. He's one of those guys who gets talked about a lot but who just doesn't impress. Fills a need for NYY, but not someone the Sox would have been interested in this year.

[26 to 6]

That's because you guys have a center fielder.

 

Do you feel better abiout yourself because we're pursuing a guy who "the Sox wouldn't be interested in?"

[jacksonianmarch]

3 of the last 4 yrs he has put up a .800+OPS. He is still one of the best defensive CFers in the game today. He consistently hits around 20HR a yr and steals 15+ bases a yr. He also is one of the top 10 guys in the game in terms of pitches per PA. He K's WAY too much to be a top of the order hitter. But we are talking about him being our #9 hitter. Think about that. The #9 hitter sees 4.2 pitches per PA, can hit 20+ homers and steal a bunch of bases. That's ridiculous. And he's right handed, something that this team could use.

[BoSox21]

Hold your horses...

 

A member of the Brewers' traveling party told the Journal-Sentinel that no Mike Cameron-for-Melky Cabrera deal was done yet.

 

FOXSports.com is going so far as to say it's hit a roadblock and that the Yankees could end discussions. It sounds like the Brewers want more in return if they're going to pick up any part of Cameron's $10 million salary. On the other hand, they might be fine with it as is if the Yankees swallow the entire amount. It doesn't look like there's much to speculation that the deal could grow to include Bill Hall and/or Kei Igawa.

[26 to 6]

And he's right handed, something that this team could use.

We could use a lefty much more considering the losses of Abreu and Giambi.

 

Hold your horses...

That's what I like to hear.

 

The only way I'm satsfied with a Cameron deal is if we get Bill Hall too. He would be a very useful player on our bench. He can play all infield positions except first, and can play the OF. Versatility is a huge underrated, undervalued attribute. If we could get Cameron and Hall for Melky, Kennedy, and another lower-tier prospect, or just eat all of Cameron's salary I'd be all for that. As much as I don't like Cameron he could be a good stopgap until A-Jax is ready.

[26 to 6]

Tyler Kepner reports the Brewers have been asking about Igawa.

 

MAKE THIS DEAL CA$H, Bill hall or not. MAKE THIS MOTHERf***ING DEAL. If it means ridding ourselves of Igawa I'm all for it. s***, I'd even be willing to eat a chink of his salary if they wanna throw Hall in as well.

 

But the deal seems more and more unlikely to happen. I've ben saying all day I hope this deal falls through, but god would I love to move Igawa, as long as those suckers would be willing to take him.

[ORS]

MAKE THIS DEAL CA$H' date=' Bill hall or not. MAKE THIS MOTHERf***ING DEAL. If it means ridding ourselves of Igawa I'm all for it. s***, I'd even be willing to eat a [b']chink[/b] of his salary if they wanna throw Hall in as well.

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[TheKilo]

So the deal goes like this.

 

Yankees (To Brewers): We'll take Cameron and Hall from you, and we'll send two worthless players, one who makes a substantial amount of money.

 

Does this make any sense??

[yankeessuck013]

I guess the Brewers didn't really enjoy their first playoff appearance in two decades and are thus figuring out ways to make sure it doesn't happen again anytime soon.

 

At least I will never again have to hear Sterling whoop it up about "The Melk Man."

[Keeper]

Cameron is a juicer and Hall has had 2 good seasons out of 5. This move does nothing for the Yankees.

[Gom]

Ok..I'm confused. Is this a done deal or not yet?

[BoSox21]

its not a done deal

 

my bet is either the Brewers want more for Cameron or the Brewers are unwilling to pay any of Cameron's salary

[26 to 6]

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I definitely meant to write chunk (note the i and u are right next to each other) hahah...wow that's too funny.

 

It's not a done deal, if the Yankees were willing to absorb all of Cameron's deal it would be a done deal, Melky for Cameron straight up. The Yankees have asked for the Brewers to pick up some of Cam's salary, the Brewers in return have asked for a pitcher. Apparently Igawa has been mentioned. Also, the Yankees have interest in expanding it to include Bill Hall. As for your criticisms Kilo, I'm not making the s*** up I'm just passing along the information. It would be mroe than just Melky/Igawa for Cam/Hall, there would be financial considerations in place as well as probably another prospect going Milwaukee way.

 

Cameron is a juicer and Hall has had 2 good seasons out of 5. This move does nothing for the Yankees.

Cameron did serve a suspension for a banned substance, not necessarily an anabolic steroid. And that's a big part of the reason I dislike him, as I've stated all throughout this thread. But he can play defense, that's for sure. As for Hall, we wouldn't be counting on him in the capacity that Milwaukee did, and coming off the bench with his defensive versatility he would be a good fit. He can give us some pop off of the bench too.

[Gom]

Jacko...you're like 0-478 this off-season. I am loving it more than you know. Next time...wait until the trade is actually made before you start the thread.

 

[i wonder if he'll call me an idiot again....considering the deal still isn't done.]

 

Jacko and credibility don't fit in the same sentence.

[jacksonianmarch]

I will always call you an idiot. You are an idiot. Its like calling the sky blue or the grass green.

[jacksonianmarch]

http://www.nypost.com/seven/12142008/sports/yankees/cc_arrives_tomorrow_144123.htm

 

Looks like the talks expanded to include Igawa. Igawa has 12 mil and 3 yrs left on his deal and Cameron's deal is worth 10 mil over 1 yr. The Brewers are haggling over how much the yankees need to include in the deal since they will be taking on the bulk of the money. But it sounds like it will get done soon, maybe tomorrow.