Question for Jacko

[Gom]

If the Yankees don't land CC...do you then consider Cashman to be a complete, utter, and abysmal failure?

 

Santana..in my mind...wins the Cy Young if the Mets bullpen doesn't blow it for him. CC may not want to come to NY...but I honestly believe if it was the Yankees who took the Rays to 7 games, he'd have signed already.

 

So...if Cashman strikes out in both a trade and a signing for the best pitcher available in consecutive seasons...will you call for his head?

[CrespoBlows]

If the Yankees don't land CC...do you then consider Cashman to be a complete, utter, and abysmal failure?

 

Santana..in my mind...wins the Cy Young if the Mets bullpen doesn't blow it for him. CC may not want to come to NY...but I honestly believe if it was the Yankees who took the Rays to 7 games, he'd have signed already.

 

So...if Cashman strikes out in both a trade and a signing for the best pitcher available in consecutive seasons...will you call for his head?

 

Shut the f*** up.

 

Please, just shut the f*** up.

 

Everything you say is f***ing wrong. I'm going to call you the Bill Kristol of Talksox.

[Cocos Disciples]

CrespoBlows is single handedly provided me with sufficient lulz for the day.

 

It's the little things.

[BigPapiEnFuego]

now i really hope CC goes somewhere else, and wins a cy young.

[Dipre]

CrespoBlows is single handedly provided me with sufficient lulz for the day.

 

It's the little things.

 

I lol'd.

[jacksonianmarch]

Again, sounds like the idiot got a hold of the keyboard. He just made the biggest offer to a pitcher EVER. If CC doesnt take it, it isnt that he wasnt trying. Cashman is doing EXACTLY what you want this offseason. He got a budget from Hank and is throwing gobs and gobs of money at the best pitching available. If he is the highest bidder by 40 mil and the player decides not to take it, how is that his fault. And right now, he's about 5 days post making one of the best trades in terms of value that will occur this offseason. You are just a moron who cannot throw your bias away.

[CrespoBlows]

Even if the Yankees won the World Series, Sabathia still wouldn't have immediately accepted the offer. He's looking for someone else to jump in, so they can squeeze a few more dimes out of the Yankees. They are obviously desperate for pitching, and Sabathia knows it. It's not like the Yankees are going to pull the offer, he will wait as long as possible, and then sign the one that offers the most money.

[Gom]

Again' date=' sounds like the idiot got a hold of the keyboard. He just made the biggest offer to a pitcher EVER. If CC doesnt take it, it isnt that he wasnt trying. Cashman is doing EXACTLY what you want this offseason. He got a budget from Hank and is throwing gobs and gobs of money at the best pitching available. If he is the highest bidder by 40 mil and the player decides not to take it, how is that his fault. And right now, he's about 5 days post making one of the best trades in terms of value that will occur this offseason. You are just a moron who cannot throw your bias away.[/quote']

You think if the Yankees had won the World Series, it would matter? Call me crazy..but players were lining up to play for the Yankees for the better part of 5 years. Clemens, Wells, Giambi....now?

 

We have to pay a premium to get players to come to NY. I'm just wondering at what point are you going to throw in the towel with this guy. I'm curious.

 

How can you say I don't throw my bias away? I was one of the first people to commend the job he did in acquiring Nick Swisher. Jacko, insults aside, it's you who can't throw away your bias.

 

With Cashman..or anyone who runs the Yankees...or any team for that matter. If you do a good job, I commend you. If you do a s***** job, I rip you. I'm surprised you lack this ability, considering your profession. Guess there are good ones and bad ones in ever field.

Shut the f*** up.

 

Please, just shut the f*** up.

 

Everything you say is f***ing wrong. I'm going to call you the Bill Kristol of Talksox.

He makes good deadline deals when it comes to salary dumps. Correct.

 

He had a poor draft this year, signing only one out of the top three. Fact.

 

He has a very poor draft record. Since he has been GM, the Yankees have not drafted a single position player nor full season pitcher. Fact [although this will probably change if Joba stays healthy].

 

He had the youth movement of Kennedy, Hughes, and Chamberlain blow up in his face so badly, he scrapped it after one season. Kennedy and Hughes may have single-handedly cost the Yankees a post-season berth for the first time since 1993. Fact

 

His team's poor performance may negatively impact free agents in their desire to come to New York, and his choice of manager in Girardi [who I support, by the way] may not be stellar. Debatable.

 

Now...that I've answered your post with logic, let me resort to your level of education so you can understand a little more clearly.

 

Go f*** yourself.

 

How's that for shutting up *******? Now...go and have a nice day.

[Gom]

Even if the Yankees won the World Series' date=' Sabathia still wouldn't have immediately accepted the offer. He's looking for someone else to jump in, so they can squeeze a few more dimes out of the Yankees. They are obviously desperate for pitching, and Sabathia knows it. It's not like the Yankees are going to pull the offer, he will wait as long as possible, and then sign the one that offers the most money.[/quote']

This is irrelevant. My question was if he signs elsewhere, has Cashman failed?

 

I remember him saying that he'd rather keep his prospects and sign free agents than trade the prospects for players. I agree 100% in theory. However...if you don't get the star player when given the opportunity in a trade, and can't convince the star player to sign, and your propects turn out to be more flash than substance...well then..at what point is enough going to be enough?

[ARod2212]

If Sabathia isn't going to sign, that isn't Cashman's fault.

 

Regardless, he's going to sign. The MLBPA won't let him turn down that kind of money.

[CrespoBlows]

This is irrelevant. My question was if he signs elsewhere' date=' has Cashman failed?[/quote']

 

No, because Sabathia would be repudiating the East Coast, not the Yankees. Unless you want to blame Brian Cashman for not having the Yankees playing in Los Angeles. Let me get this straight, you want to blame Brian Cashman for failing to convince Sabathia not to play in Los Angeles, despite offering him a monsterous offer, and adhering to the Steinbrenner regulations on perks allowed in the contract? Dude, this is horrible scapegoating.

 

I remember him saying that he'd rather keep his prospects and sign free agents than trade the prospects for players. I agree 100% in theory. However...if you don't get the star player when given the opportunity in a trade, and can't convince the star player to sign, and your propects turn out to be more flash than substance...well then..at what point is enough going to be enough?

 

You f***ing contradicted yourself with that first sentence. You agree that keeping prospects and signing free agents is a better choice to go. Then, why I do you insist on berating Cashman for doing the exact same thing you "agree 100% in theory" on? He did not trade for Santana, because he wanted to keep his young pitchers, and he's going to throw $150 million at Sabathia. What is it that caused your irrational hatred of Brian Cashman? You can't even keep up with yourself.

[CrespoBlows]

This is irrelevant. My question was if he signs elsewhere' date=' has Cashman failed?[/quote']

 

The point was not irrelevant. You made the statement that Sabathia would already have signed had the Yankees taken the Rays to Game 7. There's no way a big f***ing cash cow is going to sign the first good offer he gets. He's going to wait for some other bids. Reportedly, he would want to play on the West Coast, as he is a native of California. When the Teixeria situation dies down with the Angels, and when the Manny situation dies down with the Dodgers, you could see two other larger offers out West. The Yankees are definitely going to match, or exceed what's offered. Sabathia could lose out on some money if he signs too imprudently.

[jacksonianmarch]

Good to see you picking up the torch Crespo. He's a hypocrite.

[ORS]

If Sabathia isn't going to sign, that isn't Cashman's fault.

 

Regardless, he's going to sign. The MLBPA won't let him turn down that kind of money.

Is there any evidence that this actually happens? I see people say the MLBPA won't let a player turn down a huge offer all the time, and I can't think of a single example where there weren't other factors that played a bigger role. As long as the contractual language and obligation is in accordance with the latest CBA, the MLBPA only has the power of suggestion when a player is determining what offer he prefers. If he signs, it's because he wants the money, or to face the challenge of winning in NY, or whatever. Consideration of the MLBPA will be a minor contributor to his decision.

[Gom]

What you, Crespo fail to see, and what Jacko has never seen...is that in theory, of course, I am 100% behind the idea of building from within.

 

My problem isn't the plan, just the person implementing it. When the Yanees didn't get Johan, Cashman spoke about signing CC [not directly, obviously] while keeping his prospects. Now he may keep the prospects, which blew up in his face, and not getting the star player he was shooting for.

 

Like the Cole drafting earlier...they didn't realize that Cole's father was a billionaire who wanted him to go to school.

 

These "happenings" seem to be occurring with a very high rate of frequency under his watch.

 

I think we can agree that a 1st place team attracts high-end free agents more effectively than a 3rd place team.

 

Look, if he signs CC and Burnett, and gets either Tex or Manny, he's more than made up for his mistakes last year. I'll be the first one to admit it.

 

What I asked Jacko is...when will he jump off the Cashman wagon? I've already told you when I'll jump on his wagon if he gets two pitchers and a hitter. When will he jump off?

[Mr Crunchy]

In all honesty i think sabby is a time bomb about to explode and even when he pitched for cleveland he never really frightened me...Id prefer burnett in fenway simply because of his success against ny over the years,theres no doubt that ny will be better this year but who they grab will matter the most.as a sox fan i like tex but hes too expensive and plays 1st...we have a guy who can rake at 1st already and lowell should be ready for april..sure,hes a player but that kind of coin?? i dunno, i dont see ny offerering him anything yet,as usual,they will set the market

[Mr Crunchy]

You think if the Yankees had won the World Series, it would matter? Call me crazy..but players were lining up to play for the Yankees for the better part of 5 years. Clemens, Wells, Giambi....now?

 

Gom

in fairness to the panel you just named 3 of the biggest ****s in the game and men who are completely devoid of character,wells is ok and has some heart but the big tuff son of a hells angels mama got knocked out in a diner by a 5'3 guy named Rocco Gravalese

[ARod2212]

Is there any evidence that this actually happens? I see people say the MLBPA won't let a player turn down a huge offer all the time' date=' and I can't think of a single example where there weren't other factors that played a bigger role. As long as the contractual language and obligation is in accordance with the latest CBA, the MLBPA only has the power of suggestion when a player is determining what offer he prefers. If he signs, it's because he wants the money, or to face the challenge of winning in NY, or whatever. Consideration of the MLBPA will be a minor contributor to his decision.[/quote']

I had read or heard on talk radio (and I'm not going to bother searching this), that it had happened with Santana. He had negotiated down to the last minute, and was close to biting the bullet and turning down the Mets' offer because the union wanted him to help establish the market for pitchers.

 

I mean, you can take it with a grain of salt, but when is the last time a player turned down significantly more money to go somewhere?

 

Particularly the premier free agent on the market?

[Cocos Disciples]

Couldn't Schilling have gotten more money with Philadelphia last off-season?

[jacksonianmarch]

I had read or heard on talk radio (and I'm not going to bother searching this), that it had happened with Santana. He had negotiated down to the last minute, and was close to biting the bullet and turning down the Mets' offer because the union wanted him to help establish the market for pitchers.

 

I mean, you can take it with a grain of salt, but when is the last time a player turned down significantly more money to go somewhere?

 

Particularly the premier free agent on the market?

 

It doesnt happen. CC has a chance to make market history here. He's got pressure from everywhere to take this offer. But he doesnt have to accept it right now. He can take his time and see if the yankees are willing to up the offer. I am sure they would be.

[Dipre]

It doesnt happen. CC has a chance to make market history here. He's got pressure from everywhere to take this offer. But he doesnt have to accept it right now. He can take his time and see if the yankees are willing to up the offer. I am sure they would be.

 

You gotta think like CC here......if by waiting maybe a month and a half you could, in theory, rise your salary by 3 or 4mil/year, would you not do it too?