Is Boras really this delusional?

[BoSox21]

Really?

 

Johnnie Cochran comes to mind.......

 

You're comparing a guy who helped a client get away with murder with a guy who helps clients get more money? Really?

[Dipre]

You're comparing a guy who helped a client get away with murder with a guy who helps clients get more money? Really?

 

I mean it in the fact that they both excel (in Cochran's case, excelled) at what they do, but that doesn't mean that what they do is right......

 

I admit he's THE agent, but that doesn't make him any less of a prick.

[BoSox21]

how is he a prick? I still dont understand that part

[Gom]

how is he is a dick? his job is to get the most money he can for his client, that's why he has the most amount of high-profile players

 

he won't get 4 years and $52 mil for Varitek but he will get someone to overpay for him

 

hell, we should all be so good at our jobs

Holy cow...we agree on something 100%.

I mean it in the fact that they both excel (in Cochran's case, excelled) at what they do, but that doesn't mean that what they do is right......

 

I admit he's THE agent, but that doesn't make him any less of a prick.

Why is it not right? THAT IS THEIR JOB.

What people fail to realize is that it is the player's choice to be represented by Boras. Everyone knows Boras's reputation in the game. He is all about the dollar. Some players value that more than winning, etc. That is their prerogative.

 

His job is to get the most money for his clients, period. He does it very well. Stop blaming the guy for a job well done. It was Cochran's job to secure a "not guilty" for OJ. It is the same with Boras. They shouldn't be villified [especially Boras, I can somewhat understand with OJ].

 

Boras, is at least, fair. I would have a problem with him if he played favorites or held grudges. Once a deal is done, it seems like all animosity that may have been there vanishes, and it's off to the next player.

 

Stop criticizing the guy for doing his job well.

[Dipre]

Holy cow...we agree on something 100%.

 

Why is it not right? THAT IS THEIR JOB.

What people fail to realize is that it is the player's choice to be represented by Boras. Everyone knows Boras's reputation in the game. He is all about the dollar. Some players value that more than winning, etc. That is their prerogative.

 

His job is to get the most money for his clients, period. He does it very well. Stop blaming the guy for a job well done. It was Cochran's job to secure a "not guilty" for OJ. It is the same with Boras. They shouldn't be villified [especially Boras, I can somewhat understand with OJ].

 

Boras, is at least, fair. I would have a problem with him if he played favorites or held grudges. Once a deal is done, it seems like all animosity that may have been there vanishes, and it's off to the next player.

 

Stop criticizing the guy for doing his job well.

 

Well, that's your opinion and it has to be respected....

 

However, things like last year's A-Rod opt-out during the WS show complete disrespect for the game, thus my line of thinking that he's a prick, and if you don't think so, then that's fine, but there're a lot of good agents who get great deals for their clients w/o pulling some of the pranks Boras does, but that's just my humble opinion.

[Crazy Rob]

All agents are total dicks but they have to be. what would you like the agent to say sir i believe i'm worth 60 million but if you offer 30 thats totally ok man. no you have to be assertive like boris like this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p0v98ugX_C0

[BoSox21]

yea, I'll admit the stunt he pulled during the WS was a bit dick-ish but to call him a dick because of the way he does business is just wrong

[TheKilo]

Can you not make the case that he hurts the competitive balance in the MLB through the ability of teams to sign his FAs and draft picks?

[BoSox21]

His job isn't to keep the competitive balance in MLB, his job is to get the players who hire him the most money he can.

 

If there is to be competitive balance in baseball, its up to MLB to find a way to implement a salary cap.

[Dipre]

yea' date=' I'll admit the stunt he pulled during the WS was a bit dick-ish but to call him a dick because of the way he does business is just wrong[/quote']

 

But that's the way he conducts business........and that's what i'm trying to point out.

[TheKilo]

But if the way he does business is ultimately hurting the state of the game as a whole, how effective can it be?

[BoSox21]

As far as Scott Boras is concerned, the state of the game is just fine. He keeps finding teams to give his clients massive contracts.

 

Like I said, MLB is responsible to trying to maintain competitive balance, they remain the only league out of the big four to not have a salary cap.

 

Boras is simply taking advantage of the economic system MLB chooses to use.

[Gom]

They should have a slotted salary system for draft picks. That way, you're salary is predetermined at the draft.

 

Don't blame Boras. Blame Selig.

[ORS]

Boras is good at what he does, so kudos to him there. However, he accomplishes that with what I consider to be severe breaches of ethics. I'm not excusing Manny because he went along with it, but I have high confidence that Boras orchestrated the fiasco. He couselled his client into threatening a breach of contract in order to get out of town 2 months early. Others will follow his lead, and the tactics he employs now will become the standard. His lack of ethics is what makes him a douche and bad for the game.

[BoSox21]

a lot of people still argue his lack of ethics are why JD Drew is in Boston right now

[jacksonianmarch]

Boras is good at what he does' date=' so kudos to him there. However, he accomplishes that with what I consider to be severe breaches of ethics. I'm not excusing Manny because he went along with it, but I have high confidence that Boras orchestrated the fiasco. He couselled his client into threatening a breach of contract in order to get out of town 2 months early. Others will follow his lead, and the tactics he employs now will become the standard. His lack of ethics is what makes him a douche and bad for the game.[/quote']

 

I agree. Thing is, unlike with Steinbrenner, nobody will make a statement against him since he gets everyone their money. The only guy who hates him as an agent was Sheff and thats mostly because sheff hates everyone.

[Dipre]

Boras is good at what he does' date=' so kudos to him there. However, he accomplishes that with what I consider to be severe breaches of ethics. I'm not excusing Manny because he went along with it, but I have high confidence that Boras orchestrated the fiasco. He couselled his client into threatening a breach of contract in order to get out of town 2 months early. Others will follow his lead, and the tactics he employs now will become the standard. His lack of ethics is what makes him a douche and bad for the game.[/quote']

 

Couldn't have said it better m'self.......

 

The fact is, he's a douche, no ifs or buts about it, and IMHO, he should've been punished for his stunt at last year's WS.

 

But that's just me.....

[ORS]

a lot of people still argue his lack of ethics are why JD Drew is in Boston right now

Does that make it OK?

[BoSox21]

Doesnt make it ok but at a certain point, the f***ing players themselves need to take some accountability.

 

And people need to stop blaming Boras for the Manny fiasco, hes a 36 year old man. Boras may have said if he were to find a way to become a free agent, he could get him a much better deal but as far as he's concerned, if Manny walked into John Henry's office and said he doesn't want the FO to pick up the options, then mission accomplished. Manny pulled all that childish crap cause he's an cocksucking prick, not being his agent told him to shove a travelling secretary.

 

What he did at the WS was in poor taste but lets not act like he sat behind home plate and burned an American flag.

 

I'm not a Boras apologist but IMO, he shouldn't need to apologize for who he is, he's the most successful agent in all of sports right now and he has an amazing track record of being able to negotiate tremendous contracts for his clients.

[Gom]

Boras is good at what he does' date=' so kudos to him there. However, he accomplishes that with what I consider to be severe breaches of ethics. I'm not excusing Manny because he went along with it, but I have high confidence that Boras orchestrated the fiasco. He couselled his client into threatening a breach of contract in order to get out of town 2 months early. Others will follow his lead, and the tactics he employs now will become the standard. His lack of ethics is what makes him a douche and bad for the game.[/quote']

 

This....

a lot of people still argue his lack of ethics are why JD Drew is in Boston right now

...followed by this.

 

I am not saying you are hypocritical ORS, but a lot of fans are. You had a lot of Red Sox fans loving the Drew deal, but hating what he did with Manny.

 

The way to stop this is to make it so that a commission made on a new deal after a declined option should go to the original agent, with any overage going to the commission of the new agent.

 

That would stop this kind of s*** cold.

[Gom]

Boras is good at what he does' date=' so kudos to him there. However, he accomplishes that with what I consider to be severe breaches of ethics. I'm not excusing Manny because he went along with it, but I have high confidence that Boras orchestrated the fiasco. He couselled his client into threatening a breach of contract in order to get out of town 2 months early. Others will follow his lead, and the tactics he employs now will become the standard. His lack of ethics is what makes him a douche and bad for the game.[/quote']

 

This....

a lot of people still argue his lack of ethics are why JD Drew is in Boston right now

...followed by this.

 

I am not saying you are hypocritical ORS, but a lot of fans are. You had a lot of Red Sox fans loving the Drew deal, but hating what he did with Manny.

 

The way to stop this is to make it so that a commission made on a new deal after a declined option should go to the original agent, with any overage going to the commission of the new agent.

 

That would stop this kind of s*** cold.

[TheKilo]

I'm confused though....Drew had the ability to opt out...it was in his contract. Manny was actually stilll under contract when he did what he did in June/July.

[BoSox21]

I'm confused though....Drew had the ability to opt out...it was in his contract. Manny was actually stilll under contract when he did what he did in June/July.

 

right, but its been heavily implied that the Boras had an agreement in place with the Sox for more years and money before Drew opted out with the Dodgers, therefore while he was still under contract.

 

it seemed fishy cause there didn't seem to be any other suitors when Drew opted out yet the Sox still offered a lot of years at a lot more money

[TheKilo]

OK, so are you saying he's unethical, or what?

[BoSox21]

While nothing has been proven, yea I think he can be unethical but people here are calling him a prick cause he set the benchmark of Varitek's next contract at 4 years and $52 mil and I just don't agree with that

[Jacoby_Ellsbury]

Drew Rosenhaus is unethical (so I hear), but I haven't heard much complaining about him.

[Dipre]

While nothing has been proven' date=' yea I think he can be unethical but people here are calling him a prick cause he set the benchmark of Varitek's next contract at 4 years and $52 mil and I just don't agree with that[/quote']

 

I don't think anyone's (me) calling Boras a prick because of his delusional idea that Varitek deserves 52/4, but just had the chance to call him a prick because of unethical, disrespectful things he's done in the past plus the outrageous statement of 'Tek's contract constitute a valid point towards calling him a prick.

 

If you don't think he is, that's your opinion, must be respected.

 

However, i think he's unethical, doesn't respect the sport, and is a driving force towards the disagreements created between the PA and the owners.

 

And don't cry "You lie", because everyone here is well informed of the stunt he pulled with

Alvarez, i don't see any other respected agent pulling that crap.

 

Therefore, he is a prick, and a prick of proportions only describable in a book of over a thousand pages.

 

But that's just my opinion, if you like him, then great, but i don't.

[BoSox21]

So you would realistically stop watching baseball completely if the Dodgers or Tigers sign Varitek to 4 years at $52 million? Thats being ridiculous

[Dipre]

So you would realistically stop watching baseball completely if the Dodgers or Tigers sign Varitek to 4 years at $52 million? Thats being ridiculous

 

Nah, it's an overstatement said because i don't think it'll ever happen, not even Ned Colleti will go that far....

[Jacoby_Ellsbury]

Well to be fair, sports agents have to be unethical to be any good. They have to compete with each other for clients and ensure that they keep those clients by getting them the most money possible. Its a dirty business.