Cashman Returns

[ARod2212]

http://mlb.mlb.com/mlb/ps/y2004/home.jsp?view=bos_nyy

 

It happens.

Do you really want to go down that road? I'm not a historian, but I'm pretty sure I'll have more examples of success than you do.

[BoSox21]

Do you really want to go down that road? I'm not a historian' date=' but I'm pretty sure I'll have more examples of success than you do.[/quote']

 

in this century?

[ARod2212]

in this century?

Arbitrary rules FTL.

[26 to 6]

in this century?

How about the past 100 years. Fair enough?

[YAZMAN]

How about the past 100 years. Fair enough?

 

How about 26 to 7 at least for starters?

[Mr Crunchy]

Hughes could be the jd drew of pitchers

he breaks bones as if he suffered from osteoperosis, is he getting the calcium supplements post menapausal women need to stay healthy?

 

injuries?

everyone has injuries

we lost ortiz,the most feared left handed hitter in the a.l for an extended period of time.

we lost drew,player of the month in june and our other left handed power hitter

we lost various pitching during the season,some for long term some short term

we suffered badly with injury but we have pitching depth and we had a g.m who built a solid bench.

 

are you really surprised damon went down or arod went down?

when you own the 1998 allstar team circa 2008 you should and can expect injuries,theyre inevitable.

[jacksonianmarch]

I already showed you how, even with the degree of injury you guys had, that your rotation for the most part wasnt as hard hit as ours was.

[TheKilo]

Jacko, did you consider Schilling in your 83% plan?

[jacksonianmarch]

The fact is, your offensive injuries left your offense in second in runs and barely under 900. Our injuries took our offense from a potential 1000 run offense to a sub 800 run offense, good for 7th in the AL. Our pitching injuries took us from a team with 3 guys capable of throwing 200+IP to 2 guys with 3 massive ?'s. And it is illustrated by our IP from the starters. We got 100 less innings from our starters than you guys did and our starters ERA was about a half run worse. That is a ton of innings for the pen to pick up and with the diminished offense and poor performance of the starters, the pen could only do so much. The team needs to improve, but if Moose retires, like he is said to be leaning towards doing, then we have a lot of room to improve to be back in the playoffs. Is that from within with Hughes and Joba slotting in behind Wang and maybe Pettitte? Is that with CC, Burnett, Sheets, Peavy, Lowe??? We'll see. This is gonna be an exciting off season, IMO.

[jacksonianmarch]

Jacko' date=' did you consider Schilling in your 83% plan?[/quote']

 

yes. I considered the sox and yankees top 5 and their contingency starter. For the Yankees it was Wang, Mussina, Pettitte, Hughes, Kennedy, and Joba. For the sox it was Beckett, DMats, Lester, Schilling, Wakefield and Buchholz.

[ORS]

Right, and the reason you got hit harder is that you didn't have any depth. Despite your constant frothing about how stacked the Yankees were in the minors and how the Sox would be in trouble if Schilling didn't pitch. Remember these preseason nuggets of wisdom, Jack?

[TheKilo]

Dude where's the offensive improvement coming from?

 

Jeter - nope

Damon - nope

ARod - still hit .300 w/30+ bombs, pencil that in for next yr

Tex > Giambi

Nady will regress

Cano will be better

Matsui is oft-injured

Posada loses his value as a 1B

Molina sucks

Gardner sucks

[redsoxrules]

The fact is' date=' your offensive injuries left your offense in second in runs and barely under 900. Our injuries took our offense from a potential 1000 run offense to a sub 800 run offense, good for 7th in the AL. Our pitching injuries took us from a team with 3 guys capable of throwing 200+IP to 2 guys with 3 massive ?'s. And it is illustrated by our IP from the starters. We got 100 less innings from our starters than you guys did and our starters ERA was about a half run worse. That is a ton of innings for the pen to pick up and with the diminished offense and poor performance of the starters, the pen could only do so much. The team needs to improve, but if Moose retires, like he is said to be leaning towards doing, then we have a lot of room to improve to be back in the playoffs. Is that from within with Hughes and Joba slotting in behind Wang and maybe Pettitte? Is that with CC, Burnett, Sheets, Peavy, Lowe??? We'll see. This is gonna be an exciting off season, IMO.[/quote']

 

potential 1000 runs?

seriously ,theres no f***ing way the yanks score 1000 runs even if they were 100 % healthy , not even close . they wouldn't even had hit 900

[TheKilo]

yes. I considered the sox and yankees top 5 and their contingency starter. For the Yankees it was Wang' date=' Mussina, Pettitte, Hughes, Kennedy, and Joba. For the sox it was Beckett, DMats, Lester, Schilling, Wakefield and Buchholz.[/quote']

 

What's that about arbitrary rules, Yanks fans?

[BoSox21]

The fact is' date=' your offensive injuries left your offense in second in runs and barely under 900. Our injuries took our offense from a potential 1000 run offense to a sub 800 run offense, good for 7th in the AL.[/quote']

 

You can't say your injuries were worse than ours simply because we performed better when it was all said and done. Key guys went down for us all year, so Lowrie and Coco came out of nowhere and Youk and Pedroia had career years and Drew carried the team when it was needed most.

 

Considering A-Rod got the pay day he wanted, it was expected he would be worse than last year. Considering Posada, Jeter, Damon and Matsui are all on the decline, their performances were affected accordingly. To say they had 1000 run potential was in an absolute best-case scenario and it would be foolish to have expected that.

[jacksonianmarch]

Dude where's the offensive improvement coming from?

 

Jeter - nope

Damon - nope

ARod - still hit .300 w/30+ bombs, pencil that in for next yr

Tex > Giambi

Nady will regress

Cano will be better

Matsui is oft-injured

Posada loses his value as a 1B

Molina sucks

Gardner sucks

 

Matsui needed surgery for the whole yr. I expect him to be placed in the DH role and put up his customary .290 25 100 next yr. Posada is expected to be pencilled in as a C next yr which is a massive improvement. Cano will be much better next yr. Jeter and Damon are right about where I could hope they are. Nady should do better than he did for us and a bit worse than he did for Pitt. If Tex comes, he is a massive upgrade over Giambi. The only ?? would be CF and if Posada can handle catching 120 games (which Cashman said he's being counted on for). I expect the yankees will get a stopgap CFer until AJax is ready. A lineup of

 

Damon LF

Jeter SS

Teixeira 1B

Rodriguez 3B

Matsui DH

Nady RF

Posada C

Cano 2B

Cameron?? CF

 

is a lineup that will put up over 900 runs easy if they all stay on the field.

[ORS]

Also, I'm very skeptical the Yankees only got 111 starts from their arbitrary 6 (obviously included to mitigate the impact of the loss of Schilling for the entire season) due to injury. Hughes and Kennedy sucked. That has to count for something. They did combine for 18 starts in the minors. You usually only need 3 on a rehab, so cut the extra 23 in half, at least.

[jacksonianmarch]

Right' date=' and the reason you got hit harder is that you didn't have any depth. Despite your constant frothing about how stacked the Yankees were in the minors and how the Sox would be in trouble if Schilling didn't pitch. Remember these preseason nuggets of wisdom, Jack?[/quote']

 

can you read? I had said before that the depth went down before the starters did. Reading is fundamental ORS. Our minor league depth got hit something fierce in ST and April.

[jacksonianmarch]

Also' date=' I'm very skeptical the Yankees only got 111 starts from their arbitrary 6 (obviously included to mitigate the impact of the loss of Schilling for the entire season) due to injury. Hughes and Kennedy sucked. That has to count for something. They did combine for 18 starts in the minors. You usually only need 3 on a rehab, so cut the extra 23 in half, at least.[/quote']

 

okay then, cut it to top 5 and get rid of Chamberlain's 12 starts. The difference is still massive.

[Mr Crunchy]

Realize that jacko can create #s better than most.

the sox lost lowell drew ortiz ramirez and lugo for extended periods of time

the centerfielder was hitting 200 since may

our catcher was at the mendoza line all year and we still ended up 2nd in runs?

hmmmmmn

perhaps our coach is better than your coach or the answer lies within the bench??

we have a very balanced offense,look at how we scored last night,occasional power,a couple of steals,a clutch single....balanced offenses are prone to scoring against good pitching as opposed to the power teams that can get shut down by quality pitching.

[redsoxrules]

Matsui needed surgery for the whole yr. I expect him to be placed in the DH role and put up his customary .290 25 100 next yr. Posada is expected to be pencilled in as a C next yr which is a massive improvement. Cano will be much better next yr. Jeter and Damon are right about where I could hope they are. Nady should do better than he did for us and a bit worse than he did for Pitt. If Tex comes, he is a massive upgrade over Giambi. The only ?? would be CF and if Posada can handle catching 120 games (which Cashman said he's being counted on for). I expect the yankees will get a stopgap CFer until AJax is ready. A lineup of

 

Damon LF

Jeter SS

Teixeira 1B

Rodriguez 3B

Matsui DH

Nady RF

Posada C

Cano 2B

Cameron?? CF

 

is a lineup that will put up over 900 runs easy if they all stay on the field.

 

Damon,Jeter and posada are on the decline ,theres no way that lineup hits 900 runs

[ORS]

okay then' date=' cut it to top 5 and get rid of Chamberlain's 12 starts. The difference is still massive.[/quote']

Hahaha, I call you out for juking the numbers to ignore the loss of Schilling, and when you say, "OK don't consider the 6th starter", you still ignore Schilling. f***ing classic.

[ORS]

can you read? I had said before that the depth went down before the starters did. Reading is fundamental ORS. Our minor league depth got hit something fierce in ST and April.

Yes reading is fundamental. It's clear, if you read, I'm poking holes in your notion of "depth" going into the year. If I contend you never had it to begin with, I don't have to concede you lost it before injury called on your system. Get it?

[Dojji]

Matsui needed surgery for the whole yr. I expect him to be placed in the DH role and put up his customary .290 25 100 next yr.

 

Matsui has hit .290-25-100 exactly once in his career. "Customary?"

[BoSox21]

Matsui has hit .290-25-100 exactly once in his career. "Customary?"

 

to be fair, Matsui has hit about that every year he hasn't been injured but over the last 3 years, he's made JD Drew look like Cal Ripken and realistically, what can you expect from a guy turning 35 next season who's missed about 200 games in the past 3 seasons?

[jacksonianmarch]

Hahaha' date=' I call you out for juking the numbers to ignore the loss of Schilling, and when you say, "OK don't consider the 6th starter", you still ignore Schilling. f***ing classic.[/quote']

 

Dumbass, I am not ignoring Schilling. Go with top 5's entering the yr with Becks, DiceK, Schilling, Wake, and Lester vs Wang, Pettitte, Mussina, Hughes, and Kennedy. Here's the starts..

 

119 for Boston

99 for NYY

 

A difference of 20 games even with Schill being out for the yr.

[ORS]

Very well, and that difference is all injury, according to you, right? No consideration of the fact that Ian the Suck and Phil Phailure really only missed about 6 starts from their "injuries"? Many of those "rehab" games they pitched in the minors could have happened at the big league level, but they just weren't good enough. Those "missed" starts were by choice, and for good reason.

[jacksonianmarch]

Kennedy was more his suckitude. Hughes was more rehab and getting back to the 100 pitch mark.