Bronson Arroyo

[a700hitter]

Since his low point on June 24th when his record was 4-7 with a 6.52 ERA, he has gone 8-3 with 8 Quality Starts in his last 11 Starts. He has also lowered his ERA for the season by about a 1 1/2 runs. His season record stands at 12-10 with a 5.07 ERA for a really crappy team in a little band box. He's also on pace to surpass 200 innings for the 4th season in a row. He's won 10 or more games in 4 of the last 5 seasons. He's remained a pretty solid back of the rotation guy.

[TheKilo]

So what, who cares?

[a700hitter]

So what' date=' who cares?[/quote']It clearly interested me so I posted my thought about it. If it didn't interest you, why did you bother to post a reply? There are many of your posts that would fall into the category of zero content or interest, but I don't post a "who cares" response. I wish there was an emoticon available that flip the bird.

[rician blast]

So what' date=' who cares?[/quote']

 

I kinda do. I always liked Arroyo and was not pleased when the sox moved him after he accepted a discounted contract in order to stay with the sox.

 

I'm certainly glad to see him turning things around and having some success.

[TheKilo]

He's had 11 good starts in the NL after being terrible for a year and a half, in the NL.

[Quinny]

Arroyo had another quality start giving up 2 runs over 7 innings and also added a 2 run double to help his own cause....

[a700hitter]

13-10 4.97 ERA. Where is Wily Mo. BTW I supported the trade when it was made, but it reinforced for me that you never trade an accomplished young starter that has won 10+ games a couple of years in a row for a guy who is a position player who is considered a project with raw ability. What was I thinking. I am happy for Arroyo.

[TheKilo]

a700 - Do you want Arroyo on this team? What's the point of this thread?

 

Arroyo's been mediocre for two years.

[a700hitter]

a700 - Do you want Arroyo on this team? What's the point of this thread?

 

Arroyo's been mediocre for two years.

The point is that when looking at statistics in connection with my various fantasy teams I noticed that he was doing far better than I had expected. I thought I would share the information on this forum. I thought it might interest some people on this forum, because he was a Red Sox player. I also give updates ocassionally about Manny and other former Sox players. Does this bother you?

[TheKilo]

Not at all.

 

I'm just of the opinion that a 4.97 ERA is nothing to write home about.

[a700hitter]

Not at all.

 

I'm just of the opinion that a 4.97 ERA is nothing to write home about.

But lowering an ERA by more than 1 1/2 runs in 2 months is significant. Have you seen the bandbox that he pitches in? I think he has been a very reliable bck of the rotation guy. he never misses a start and he puts up double digit wins 4 out of 5 years. He should win 15+ games for a really bad Reds team. That's pretty good and frankly, it surprises me. I, for one, have under-rated him.

[TheKilo]

Wins are a very overrated stat....probably helped by the bandbox he plays in.

[arbitrary]

Seriously, I'm confused here. Is this typical behavior of somebody not caring?

[a700hitter]

Wins are a very overrated stat....probably helped by the bandbox he plays in.

Wins decide pennants and championships. They also seem to be very important in determining HOF election for pitchers. Arroyo fits the back of the rotation role for any team. He eats innings. He's regularly over 200 innings (going on 4 years in a row) and wins 10+ games. The innings from the 4th or 5th spot in the rotation really helps keep a bull pen fresh helping to hide some of its deficiencies. We haven't gotten 200 innings from Wakefield since 2005 and he won't get there in 2008.. Dice K will fall short of 200 innings too as will Beckett.

[riverside sluggers]

Wake, Beckett and Dice-K arent reaching 200 innings because of one reason... the disabled list

 

Beckett reached 200 innings the last 2 seasons and Dice topped 200 innings in his debut season. Wakefield last season had a very respectable 189 innings pitched

[das11209]

Arroyo is just OK - but the trade was still bad. Arroyo >> WMP - that's all.

[Cocos Disciples]

They both suck. Slight advantage to Cincy, but not significant.

[a700hitter]

Wake, Beckett and Dice-K arent reaching 200 innings because of one reason... the disabled list

 

Beckett reached 200 innings the last 2 seasons and Dice topped 200 innings in his debut season. Wakefield last season had a very respectable 189 innings pitched

Pitchers who hit 200 innings do so by avoiding injury. Arroyo has a very good record for durability by hitting 200+ innings 4 years in a row. Wakefield has broken down in each of the last 3 years and didn't hit 200 innings. It's a durabilty issue. Thank you for making my point more clear.

[redsoxrules]

Pitching 200 innings is worth nothing if you pitch like crap , like arroyo.

his ERA would be close to 6 if not over if he was pitching in boston

he cant even crack 15 wins. he's 1 game over 500 since being in cincy . that f***ing blows

[a700hitter]

Pitching 200 innings is worth nothing if you pitch like crap , like arroyo.

his ERA would be close to 6 if not over if he was pitching in boston

he cant even crack 15 wins. he's 1 game over 500 since being in cincy . that f***ing blows

If your #5 starter can give you 200 innings and 12 wins every year that is something. You say he would do worse in Boston. The defense he has behind him is atrocious. In the series we played them, one of their fielders forgot the 3 outs at least three times. The ballpark is a joke. Crisp would hit 25 homers there. He's got a good chance of cracking 15 wins this season. His one down year followed a season when he threw 240 innings.

[Mr Crunchy]

cinci blows,their bullpen blows and i could hit 25hrs in that park.

inning eaters are valuable.

arroyo is what he is,a guy who is a mediocre pitcher that eats innings and isnt adverse to the big scene,he is the guy who threw inside on arod and started what amounted to be the change in direction for both franchises,he took the home town discount because he loved boston and was promptly ass raped by theo and dumped to the reds for a guy who would struggle making the drunk league softball team...

i like arroyo,hes a goofy prick that seems like hes always having fun.

we cant have those guys around fenway anymore for whatever reason.

[ORS]

i like arroyo,hes a goofy prick that seems like hes always having fun.

we cant have those guys around fenway anymore for whatever reason.

Papelbon and Pedroia?

 

I think a lesson was learned that season. Going into the season the Sox had what appeared to be good depth at SP and none on the bench in the OF. They traded what they had for what they needed. Unfortunately, that depth relied on a couple of pitchers that went down with injuries, and they were forced to give the innings that would have gone to Arroyo to AAAA drek. Through the benefit of hindsight, the WMP project was a bad one. Although, the same hindsight reveals that team wasn't making the playoffs with the rash of injuries they suffered in August, even if Arroyo had been here. Move on to '07, and I don't think we missed Bronson Arroyo too much, nor did we this year.

[TheKilo]

LOL THEO HATES FUN!

[Mr Crunchy]

going into 2005 we dumped arroyo knowing that schilling was out for the season and pedro was in queens..

we did make the playoffs in 2005,i was at game 3 when el duque got out of a bases loaded jam in the 6th? inning with no one out.

the 2005 staff was deep?

for the sake of atgument...

matt clement

wade miller

john halama

wakefield

lenny dinardo

david wells

oh my god who else

matt mantei mike remlinger,blaine fkn neil and the late geromi gonzales.

the injury that i recall was schilling being hurt but that was in the previous october and we knew hed be gone for a long long time,wells at 42 had knee trouble but he was essentially our ace that year.

paps came on in july and i think hansen followed shortly thereafter.

2 men over 40,6 off the waiver wire and a free agent in clement who was a .500 career pitcher.

and we still made the playoffs that year...

dumping arroyo ,who by all signs was coming along great drove me absolutley batshit,especially since wmpena went 10000% against their offensive philosophy by k'ing at a rate that would make adam dunn rob deere and dave kingman blush.

 

i understand the concept of taking a gamble but dont gamble with a young pitcher who was pretty good for you and showed very good upside and was dirt cheap.

its much better these days knowing pretty much who your pitchers are every day and 2005 was still blurry due to the 6 month world series party we had but i still am pissed at epstein for dumping that guy for a bloated bag of s*** who did some great things at bp

[Mr Crunchy]

think about the guys who walked or were let go

millar

arroyo

damon

petey

manny

ocab

hanley

attempting to move crisp.

we spent 19M for 1 season of renteria,36M for 18 months of lugo rather than signing ocab.

its an IBM environment,all the guys who were goofy and were outspoken are gone,replaced with good ball players but corporate types like lowell and the gutty jd drew...

any personality that differs from the prototype was moved or allowed to move on.

sure they have a few left like paps lowrie pedroia and ortiz but we got pedroia at the league minimum and paps is ours for a few years due to his age.

could be my imagination but when i look at the 04 club and compare it to the 07 club there was only 2 ""idiots"" left and now we're down to 1

[TheKilo]

If you sign OCab you don't get players like Ellsbury and Buchholz.

 

Who cares if there are no "idiots" on the team...I prefer to root for winning baseball.

[The Dustball]

Who cares if there are no "idiots" on the team...I prefer to root for winning baseball.

 

Well sometimes it's fun to watch players do funny s***, but yes I do prefer winning lol. The team still has a ton of great personalities like Youk, Pedroia, Papelbon, Beckett etc...

[ORS]

Crunch, we dumped him heading into '06, not '05. The pitchers on the staff at that time were a completely recovered Schilling, Beckett, Clement (who had not been diagnosed with shoulder problems yet), Wells, Wakefield, with Lester in AAA.

[Mr Crunchy]

sorry men

i missed a lot of 05 as i was drunk pretty much the entire time they were world champs,i woke up when they moved arroyo and have been fairly well behaved since.

it still pisses me off that they traded pitching for a softball player.