Varitek's struggles

[TrentonSox]

Jeter is playing like crap as well' date=' but lets be honest here. I'd take Jeter 10/10 at the plate. Vtek's bat is slowing down. And to those who love his defensive abilities, he isnt able to catch one of the five at all, and he is also setting a career low with CS% at 18% (which is exactly what no-arm Posada has gunned out this yr). I am not sure his mythical "handling of the pitching staff" has anything to do with the fact that the sox pitching staff is actually solid.[/quote']

Jeter is hitting 280 Tek is hiting like 219 huge difference

[Mr Crunchy]

tek single handedly turned the stories of these 2 franchises in opposite directions when he bitch slapped that f***ing scumbag arod back in 2004.

his work in boston is appreciated and he is still loved and respected here whether kilo or jackson or anyone feels frustrated by his .218 batting avg.

we can hide this guy in the lineup if everyone else plays to their potential

well at this hour we have a few guys sucking and underperforming and this illuminated teks struggles at the plate.

the mere idea that you question teks ability to handle a pitching staff better than any other catcher in the game tells me 1 of 2 things

(1) you know nothing about this game

(2)you are such a homer that you cant appreciate a goddam thing from your opponents.

4 no hitters he called in his career,no other catcher has done this in the 140 year history of the game.

here are the names

nomo

lowe

buckholz

lester

now if you want to s*** on tek because he cant .270 anymore thats fine and its legitimate but to diminish his value to the pitching staff is flat out stupid and it insults our intelligence and your standing on this esteemed panel.

the yanks needed last night much more than we did

they earned it

we got issues and the season has 75 games or so left

the yanks had a shot to get into the fray but cc just went to milwaukee so i think theyre f***ed and on the outside looking in come october...

[YAZMAN]

I knew you would like that. Wasnt that your prior sig?

 

Mine, not Kilo's.

[VA Sox Fan]

tek single handedly turned the stories of these 2 franchises in opposite directions when he bitch slapped that f***ing scumbag arod back in 2004.

his work in boston is appreciated and he is still loved and respected here whether kilo or jackson or anyone feels frustrated by his .218 batting avg.

we can hide this guy in the lineup if everyone else plays to their potential

well at this hour we have a few guys sucking and underperforming and this illuminated teks struggles at the plate.

the mere idea that you question teks ability to handle a pitching staff better than any other catcher in the game tells me 1 of 2 things

(1) you know nothing about this game

(2)you are such a homer that you cant appreciate a goddam thing from your opponents.

4 no hitters he called in his career,no other catcher has done this in the 140 year history of the game.

here are the names

nomo

lowe

buckholz

lester

now if you want to s*** on tek because he cant .270 anymore thats fine and its legitimate but to diminish his value to the pitching staff is flat out stupid and it insults our intelligence and your standing on this esteemed panel.

the yanks needed last night much more than we did

they earned it

we got issues and the season has 75 games or so left

the yanks had a shot to get into the fray but cc just went to milwaukee so i think theyre f***ed and on the outside looking in come october...

 

 

Amen Seano! :thumbsup:

[BSN07]

so you are going to go on record and say that Jason Varitek deserved to be considered one of the top 3 starting catchers in the AL. You truly believe that?

 

There are atleast 2 SS having better years then Jeter, but hes starting and none of us are crying and making abig stink about it. ya there are C having better years atr the plate, but Tek is still one of the most valuable C in the game.

 

This is your typical Pot/Kettle Black opinion and its never going to change. I accept it and continue to take your posts with a handful of salt.

[wtsimmons]

Tek will break out of his funk and be right where he should be in October, behind the plate in the playoffs.......Keep the faith nation!

[das11209]

nice post.

 

I wish people here had a little more respect for Jason Varitek

 

I respect him, and Ted Williams and ..

 

You get the idea.

[BSN07]

Tek will break out of his funk and be right where he should be in October' date=' behind the plate in the playoffs.......Keep the faith nation![/quote']

 

O come on who is this LOL This is too funny to be true, join date is half way threw the 1st championship run hahahahaha And today is the 1st post:lol: And the post is dripping with sarcasm.... If you are truly new, welcome, but I'm callin BS here and say your a regular poster who got a new name:D Also I would like to add that you are a Yanks fan as well:thumbsup:

[TheKilo]

tek single handedly turned the stories of these 2 franchises in opposite directions when he bitch slapped that f***ing scumbag arod back in 2004

 

I'd think Schilling, Ortiz, and Foulke had more to do with that. Winning that game put us what, 8 games behind them in the division?

 

The tide was turned in the 2004 ALCS.

 

his work in boston is appreciated and he is still loved and respected here whether kilo or jackson or anyone feels frustrated by his .218 batting avg.

 

His past is respected, and overrated. He's not worth $10 million no matter how you slice it, and the fact that you staunchly defend him while at the same time bashed JD Drew last season is hypocritical.

 

I'd love nothing more than Tek to break out of his slump. Until he does, he's going to be criticized by myself and a few others. The guy is not Kevlar.

 

we can hide this guy in the lineup if everyone else plays to their potential

well at this hour we have a few guys sucking and underperforming and this illuminated teks struggles at the plate.

 

So everyone else needs to pick up the slack for the guy making $10 million. Gotcha.

 

the mere idea that you question teks ability to handle a pitching staff better than any other catcher in the game tells me 1 of 2 things

(1) you know nothing about this game

(2)you are such a homer that you cant appreciate a goddam thing from your opponents.

4 no hitters he called in his career,no other catcher has done this in the 140 year history of the game.

here are the names

nomo

lowe

buckholz

lester

now if you want to s*** on tek because he cant .270 anymore thats fine and its legitimate but to diminish his value to the pitching staff is flat out stupid and it insults our intelligence and your standing on this esteemed panel.

 

I think Tek calls a good game. I don't think his gamecalling is worth $10 million and I find his gamecalling/defense to be vastly overrated. He had in his prime Pedro and Beckett, a slightly past his prime Schilling, solid starters in Lowe, Wakefield, etc.

 

He's had good pitchers to throw to. His preparation may be good, but don't disregard the talent he's had to work with. Why couldn't he work miracles with Jason Johnson or Kyle Snyder? Because they sucked.

 

He can't throw runners out anymore. He's prone to being fastball happy. That being said I'd prefer him in the lineup over Cash every day of the week.

 

the yanks needed last night much more than we did

they earned it

we got issues and the season has 75 games or so left

the yanks had a shot to get into the fray but cc just went to milwaukee so i think theyre f***ed and on the outside looking in come october...

 

To steal a line from Jacko, we had the chance to put the nail in the coffin and failed. The middle relief is an issue just as much as Tek but his presence in the lineup is a black hole right now.

[Jayhawk Bill]

I think Tek calls a good game. I don't think his gamecalling is worth $10 million and I find his gamecalling/defense to be vastly overrated.

 

If his game calling is worth 40 runs per year to Boston--a rough estimate I posted earlier--then his gamecalling was worth around $10 million in 2005, more today.

 

Varitek's defense is average over the term of his contract. Unless his gamecalling is worth money, one must evaluate Tek by his hitting...we can measure defense, and Tek isn't great, he's just MLB-level.

[das11209]

If his game calling is worth 40 runs per year to Boston--a rough estimate I posted earlier--then his gamecalling was worth around $10 million in 2005, more today.

 

Varitek's defense is average over the term of his contract. Unless his gamecalling is worth money, one must evaluate Tek by his hitting...we can measure defense, and Tek isn't great, he's just MLB-level.

 

JHB - I love your post. But I just don't agree with you on Tek issue.

 

Let me ask you this. Do you think the way Tek has declined - he should be resigned? If so - for how many years?

[BSN07]

JHB - I love your post. But I just don't agree with you on Tek issue.

 

Let me ask you this. Do you think the way Tek has declined - he should be resigned? If so - for how many years?

 

2 years maybe a 3rd option year. He won't get a Posada type deal because of his bat. But I would imagine they keep him for a couple more seasons until thye can groom another Catcher. Either that or they go out and make a big deal for someone else.

[TheKilo]

2 years maybe a 3rd option year. He won't get a Posada type deal because of his bat. But I would imagine they keep him for a couple more seasons until thye can groom another Catcher. Either that or they go out and make a big deal for someone else.

 

So they keep him, or they don't. Brilliant.

[VA Sox Fan]

http://www.boston.com/sports/baseball/redsox/articles/2008/07/08/varitek_continues_to_catch_flak/

[TheKilo]

http://www.boston.com/sports/baseball/redsox/articles/2008/07/08/varitek_continues_to_catch_flak/

 

Pure ballwashing by CHB. That guy is useless as they come as a columnist.

[satch9841]

i'm not the only one! I too would rather see lowrie instead of lugo especially if ortiz can't make it back. With the struggling offense, a swap back of moss and carter would be in line. Tough call on jason varitek. At this point, the sox should be looking hard for someone who can supply Some offense AND can handle the knuckler. I don't believe cash will ever hit. Another possibility, while off the wall would be to sign mirabelli to a minor league deal to see if he can get his stroke back. We need something better from the catcher position, offensively.

[satch9841]

We should be looking hard for a replacement for jason, but in the meantime i think he needs more time off than he is getting. With the physical demands of his position more time off might translate to a quicker bat. I believe we should replace cash with someone who can handle wake's knuckler and provide SOME offense better than what tek has given us. Lets keep captain tek a little fresher.

[Mr Crunchy]

His past is respected, and overrated. He's not worth $10 million no matter how you slice it, and the fact that you staunchly defend him while at the same time bashed JD Drew last season is hypocritical.

 

wait a minute here.

jd drews #s from last year read 11-64-.270

jason veriteks #s from last year 17-68-.255

 

why are you going here other than to prove my point?

 

i had every right to rip the sox for signing jd drew last year to a 70M contract,4M per more than the captain of the team who incidently had better power #s as sad as that is...

 

drew had 5 tremendous weeks this year,lets see him finish the year off without missing 30-40 games and i will be thrilled.

 

 

have you ever seen jd drew dive for a ball?

me neither

for the record

i heard tim mccarver compare jd drew to stan musial on saturday afternoon.

you're in good company.

[VA Sox Fan]

'Tek gets night off

 

Posted by Steve Silva, Boston.com Staff July 8, 2008 01:15 PM

 

Jason Varitek and Kevin Cash will be splitting catching duties for the next two games, Red Sox manager Terry Francona said today during his weekly appearance on sports radio WEEI.

 

Cash will catch Sox lefty Jon Lester tonight vs. the Twins and Jason Varitek will catch Josh Beckett in tomorrow's 1:05 p.m. series finale at Fenway.

[BSN07]

So they keep him' date=' or they don't. Brilliant.[/quote']

 

Well if you boil it down, thats what they will do. I just put out there what I think they will offer him and if he declines or wants more I think they will move on elsewhere.

 

 

You've been a little bitter lately Kilo, looking for anything to gripe about, whats up?:dunno:

Yes there are holes in this team that needs to be fixed, it happens every year, it is highly unlikely to go threw the whole season with the same team you break camp with. Ease up a bit, don't get too stressed about it:lol:

[redsoxrules]

His past is respected, and overrated. He's not worth $10 million no matter how you slice it, and the fact that you staunchly defend him while at the same time bashed JD Drew last season is hypocritical.

 

wait a minute here.

jd drews #s from last year read 11-64-.270

jason veriteks #s from last year 17-68-.255

 

It was JD's first season as a sox and had a few personal issues to go along with , give him a break

whats JD numbers compared to teks this year?

il take drew at 14 mil a year to teks 10 mil a year if tek cant do any better than he is now and its not even close

 

 

 

 

 

have you ever seen jd drew dive for a ball?

 

actually yes

Drew is actually pretty good on defense

[CrespoBlows]

It was JD's first season as a sox and had a few personal issues to go along with , give him a break

whats JD numbers compared to teks this year?

il take drew at 14 mil a year to teks 10 mil a year if tek cant do any better than he is now and its not even close

 

JD Drew was absolved of any blame for his poor performance in 2007, when he did this in the postseason.

 

http://images.overthemonster.com/images/admin/JDDrewGrandSlam.jpg

 

http://graphics.boston.com/bonzai-fba/Globe_Photo/2007/10/20/1192929300_2727.jpg

 

http://www.beloblog.com/ProJo_Blogs/SoxBlog/archives/grand_slam_405.jpg

 

Jesus, when Tony LaRussa says you're not tough, clutch, and gritty people really f***ing hate you for some reason.

[Mr Crunchy]

i agree

when you hit a grandslam in an elimination game it cures a lot of bad vibes.

who gives a f*** what tony larussa says?

the man is the most overated manager in history and managed 2 of the biggest gag jobs ever in oakland circa 88-90

[The Prodigy]

Tek had a good game today maybe this will light a fire under his ass...... Go back to be the old tek the hitting fielding machine......LOL

[BoSox21]

I hope Tek breaks out of this more than anyone but you cant look at today as an example. they were basically hitting off a tee today

[Mr Crunchy]

sometimes this is the type of game that ignites but as the guy above said,i think we couldve hit the twins pitching yesterday...gardenhire is a good game manager and seems to hang in there every year despite working for the cheapest prick on the planet..

[Paradisecity]

Anybody ever see that movie where the kid manages the twins- "little big league"?

 

When the bench coach tells him you know a guy is washed up when you are excited that he had a 2fer day? And then the kid has to fire his favorite player?

 

 

 

...Tek brought his average to .220

[TheKilo]

Put things in perspective. Cash had three hits and Vairtek nine in June. That's twelve hits between the catchers.

 

The Sox had almost double that, 23, yesterday.

[Mr Crunchy]

hows jd drews back?

do we have enuff ice in new england to keep this guy on the field

[BSN07]

hows jd drews back?

do we have enuff ice in new england to keep this guy on the field

 

You just couldn't wait for something like this to happen:lol:. It must have been eating you alive seeing JD carry the Sox offensively for the last month or so. We all know he has back issues, and can be fragile at times. Hes not going to play 162 games every year. Theres not too many guys that do. Besides it has been shown that giving him a few days off here and there makes him a better player.

 

 

You have continued to beat this dead horse to no end. Please move on to the next glue bucket.<_>