Santana signs

[BSN07]

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=3226412

 

7 yrs? Wow thats a big risk. I'm glad Theo passed...

[BSN07]

Another thought...

 

His Avg salary for the duration of the contract is like 21.6M. Thats only 1.6M more a yr the Minny was offering. I know this contract is longer and he has more security with this deal also. It just seems if they were that close on money and just off on years, the you'd think if Sanatana wanted to stay he would have. a comprimise of maybe 5 yrs with 2 vesting option or something.

[yankeessuck013]

the mets payroll has got to of surpassed bostons now?

[Cocos Disciples]

I don't think so.

[example1]

Is there anyone who thinks this is a good deal?

 

almost 3 million dollars more than the 2nd highest pitcher? 7 years?

 

I really like Ellsbury!

[Jayhawk Bill]

Is there anyone who thinks this is a good deal?

 

Dunno. In its favor:

 

1) The New York Mets are now the best team in the National League. Period. Not even close. They're well-positioned to make the NLDS for 2-4 years, and they have an excellent chance at winning a World Series soon, barring major injury. Playoff appearances and World Series victories are worth megabucks in a big media market.

 

2) The economy has weakened since the Winter Meetings and the Fed has destabilized the dollar to prop up the economy. That increases the discount rate for the out years of the contract.

 

Would I have done it? As the Mets, yes; as the Red Sox, no, even if the Red Sox were to have surrendered a package similar to what was actually tendered in the deal, which was less than the rumored packages for Boston.

[Mr Crunchy]

sox arent under the gun anymore

they can afford to be patient and as they stand theyre real deep in arms and that in itself is a warm feeling

the mets and brother omar on the other hand have pissed away a s*** load of coin and havent gotten s*** out of 52M for petey outside his 15win 1st season which was hardly dominant,the kazmir deal still burns but they do have some young guys like wright and reyes...with the 2 hernandez bros,petey and now santana the salsa bands wont need to find work as 50k hispanics from washington heights will be thrilled with all these characters and the mets are certainly the chalkers for the nl crown..

[riverside sluggers]

The Guardians shouldve locked up Sabathia sooner. Now he and his agent are drooling like crazy for a potential bidding war if he hits free agency.

[BSN07]

I expect the Yanks to throw an offer to CC if he become available. Giambi,Mussina, Abreu and some others will be off there books. They will be ready to throw some cash at someone. Especially is they have a bad season, or there rotation sucks.

[HeadOfSoxNation]

sox arent under the gun anymore

they can afford to be patient and as they stand theyre real deep in arms and that in itself is a warm feeling

the mets and brother omar on the other hand have pissed away a s*** load of coin and havent gotten s*** out of 52M for petey outside his 15win 1st season which was hardly dominant,the kazmir deal still burns but they do have some young guys like wright and reyes...with the 2 hernandez bros,petey and now santana the salsa bands wont need to find work as 50k hispanics from washington heights will be thrilled with all these characters and the mets are certainly the chalkers for the nl crown..

 

Although dumbed down, that statement speaks to the fundamental concept of baseball economics. All too often we look at "was a player worth the $X that they signed for..." and use on the field stats to argue for or against. Sure, every owner wants to win a World Series, but a player's on-the-field performance is not the be-all-and-end-all as to whether a player has "earned his keep", so to speak. You have to look more at how many people a given player brings into the stadium that wouldn't have come if it weren't for him. You have to look at how many sodas and dogs that person bought...because those are all sodas and dogs that wouldn't have been sold had that fan not come to the game. You have to look at how many souvenir jerseys that player sells to people who wouldn't have bought a jersey with the name of a different player across the back. It's the marginal revenue that a player creates that determines his worth, not his strikeout total or RBI count.

[He Hate Me]

the money will be worth it for tyhe first 3 or 4 years and then it'll tail off by then,

[ORS]

Although dumbed down' date=' that statement speaks to the fundamental concept of baseball economics. All too often we look at "was a player worth the $X that they signed for..." and use on the field stats to argue for or against. Sure, every owner wants to win a World Series, but a player's on-the-field performance is not the be-all-and-end-all as to whether a player has "earned his keep", so to speak. You have to look more at how many people a given player brings into the stadium that wouldn't have come if it weren't for him. You have to look at how many sodas and dogs that person bought...because those are all sodas and dogs that wouldn't have been sold had that fan not come to the game. You have to look at how many souvenir jerseys that player sells to people who wouldn't have bought a jersey with the name of a different player across the back. It's the marginal revenue that a player creates that determines his worth, not his strikeout total or RBI count.[/quote']

Well, if the "we" is Sox fans, I think they can get a pass for neglecting additional revenues for more tickets sold and the associated concessions. 200+ consecutive sellouts means there isn't much room to go up (other than more seats and more expensive tickets - which both happen annually). The extra jerseys sold get cut 30 ways. So, for this team, it kind of is all about what happens on the field.

[redsoxrules]

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=3226412

 

7 yrs? Wow thats a big risk. I'm glad Theo passed...

 

it is a big risk but thats one I would of took , pitching wins period. adding santanna to the sox would of pretty much guaranteed at least 2 more WS in the next 5 years , now who knows, altough I still like their chance of repeating . also the way the market is going, in 5 years that deal will look even better as alot of other good pitchers will be at 15MIL if not more.

[HeadOfSoxNation]

Well' date=' if the "we" is Sox fans, I think they can get a pass for neglecting additional revenues for more tickets sold and the associated concessions. 200+ consecutive sellouts means there isn't much room to go up (other than more seats and more expensive tickets - which both happen annually). The extra jerseys sold get cut 30 ways. So, for this team, it kind of is all about what happens on the field.[/quote']

 

The Sox are obviously one of the few exceptions to the rule. You can only hope to grow the Red Sox brand so much. I was talking "we" as baseball fans, rather than "we" as specifically Red Sox fans. Very good point.

[BSN07]

it is a big risk but thats one I would of took ' date=' pitching wins period. adding santanna to the sox would of pretty much guaranteed at least 2 more WS in the next 5 years , now who knows, altough I still like their chance of repeating . also the way the market is going, in 5 years that deal will look even better as alot of other good pitchers will be at 15MIL if not more.[/quote']

 

Yes this maybe true. But like all martkets, baseballs will come to a head. Either that or the only people going to games will be the uber rich. Baseball can't allow something like this to happen. If it does, the Baseball goes from " America's past time ", to another rich person hobby.

 

Eventually contracts will get so ridiculous, it will end up killing a franchise. I mean I'm no hockey fan, and I'm not saying Hockey is in the same league as Baseball. But there insane contracts, and flimsy luxury cap cost them in the long run. I actually feel that this sort of thing(player contracts) could lead to the next baseball strike. Eventually the commish will have to step in and say it has to stop, the Players Union won't like that at all. To be honest, it will take a long term strike to stop this madness of increasing contracts.

[rician blast]

While this may make the Mets the big dog of the NL, where does it place them in terms of the best teams on MLB?

 

In no certain order, the best teams for 2008 are likely to be the Sox, Tigers, Angels, Yanks, Guardians, Mets...personally, and objectively, I like the Sox. After that I'm not quite sure.

[BSN07]

No specific order,

 

Detroit, LAA, BOS, CLVD. I believe these are the top teams in the league,

 

next group,

 

NYY(They have ? in rotation, and all there players are a yr older, but they should be in it until the end), NYM, LAD, SEA(if they aquire Bedard), CHC.

 

and now the could go either way group,

 

Brewers,COL,AZ,SD,

[TheKilo]

Disagree. The Yankees are still a top tier team.

[BSN07]

Disagree. The Yankees are still a top tier team.

 

There top reg. season tier team. They still not built for the PO and have done nothing to change this over the winter. I said they be in it until then end but I don't see them sustaining an success in the Post Season.