Yanks Want to Talk to Lowell

[yankees228]

Who's pitching for you next season?

 

I think you'd agree that the Yankees' starting rotation has the potential to be quite good, especially if there is an addition from outside the organization (Santana).

[a700hitter]

I think you'd agree that the Yankees' starting rotation has the potential to be quite good' date=' especially if there is an addition from outside the organization (Santana).[/quote']If anyone gets Santana, they'd have a good staff. Without getting Santana, you have the potential to have a disastrous 2008 staff. If the Red Sox get Santana, the Yankees should just rebuild, dump all the high paid overpriced old guys for prospects.

[example1]

Guys, I think you're missing the point.

 

The Yankees can afford Lowell. The whole point of making the offer public is to put pressure on the Red Sox to increase the offer to Lowell in both years and money, and to tie up their payroll. It's a no-lose situation for the Yankees.

 

Pavano [8 mil], Giambi [18 mil (23 salary minus 5 mil buyout], Abreu 16 mil, Mussina 12 mil, Pettitte 16 mil [if he comes back this year are gone]. That's 70 million coming off the books, up to nearly $100 million with the luxury tax figured in.

 

The only ones you need to replace are Abreu and Pettitte. So figure out of the 70 million, you need to spend 32 million to replace them. The other's are at this point bit players and not much to replace.

 

It's a gamesmanship ploy for Lowell...push the Red Sox to tie up their payroll. Remember, when we got Damon, the offer was made, accepted, and delivered before anyone knew what happened up there. This is just grandstanding.

 

Why would the Red Sox "fall" for that? It seems like the chances of the sox grossly overpaying for Lowell in years or money are more remote than the chance that Lowell says "SURE, I'll take 4 years 15 million from the Yankees!!" Why even take that chance and squander what is, as you pointed out, a fair amount of wasted money coming off the books?

[riverside sluggers]

I think you'd agree that the Yankees' starting rotation has the potential to be quite good' date=' especially if there is an addition from outside the organization (Santana).[/quote']

 

--Chien Ming Wang will give his regular 17-20 Wins, sub 4 ERA

--Mussina is another year older and his durability/stuff has been regressing

--Assuming Pettitte doesnt return... Chamberlain, Hughes, and Kennedy are really all question marks. Not one of them has had a full season as a starter in the majors. And I still believe that Joba is better suited as a late innings set up man/potential closer in the making

[yankees228]

--Chien Ming Wang will give his regular 17-20 Wins, sub 4 ERA

--Mussina is another year older and his durability/stuff has been regressing

--Assuming Pettitte doesnt return... Chamberlain, Hughes, and Kennedy are really all question marks. Not one of them has had a full season as a starter in the majors. And I still believe that Joba is better suited as a late innings set up man/potential closer in the making

 

I think you missed the point of my post. I said that the rotation has the potential to be very good. The key word there is potential. Hughes, Chamberlain, and Kennedy, while all being question marks (due to their ages), have the potential to be good. I'm not saying that as a definite, but, again, my original point was that the staff could be good. It's not an awful staff by any means which some of you guys are making it out to be.

 

That's the staff as it is now. As I said before, there are other possibilities...

[yankees228]

If anyone gets Santana' date=' they'd have a good staff. Without getting Santana, you have the potential to have a disastrous 2008 staff. If the Red Sox get Santana, the Yankees should just rebuild, dump all the high paid overpriced old guys for prospects.[/quote']

 

Right, and they also have the potential to have a very good staff. It's a question mark, yes, but you at least have to acknowledge the possibilites that things could work out for the kids in the rotation.

[a700hitter]

Right' date=' and they also have the potential to have a very good staff. It's a question mark, yes, but you at least have to acknowledge the possibilites that things could work out for the kids in the rotation.[/quote']I don't think there is much chance of them being a very good staff, especially if Pettitte doesn't come back. Without Pettitte, the Yankees would be forced to put 3 rookies in the starting rotation. The chances that two of the them will be good or very good would be remote. If Pettitte comes back, they'd only need one of the rookies to make an impact to have a good staff.

[TheKilo]

The Yanks staff certainly has the potential to be good. Just as much potential to flame out in August.

[yankees228]

I don't think there is much chance of them being a very good staff' date=' especially if Pettitte doesn't come back. Without Pettitte, the Yankees would be forced to put 3 rookies in the starting rotation. The chances that two of the them will be good or very good would be remote. If Pettitte comes back, they'd only need one of the rookies to make an impact to have a good staff.[/quote']

 

Hughes has got 72 innings under his belt last year, so at least he has some experience. At this point, I think he has enough experience where the "he's a rookie so he won't be good argument" doesn't apply.

 

As for the other two, you're not basing it on anything more than the fact that they don't have a lot of experience. I don't expect them to be spectacular, but I don't think it's unreasonable to think that they will at least be sufficient.

 

Wang should have another solid season, although I'll give you the fact that Mussina will probably not be very good.

 

However, whether it's Santana or someone else, I expect the Yankees' rotation to be at least slightly different than it is right now.

[yankees228]

The Yanks staff certainly has the potential to be good. Just as much potential to flame out in August.

 

Right, that was my point. All I'm saying is that they have guys who are capable of doing really nice things, but I would admit that those nice things are more likely to come in 2009 or 2010.

[a700hitter]

Hughes has got 72 innings under his belt last year, so at least he has some experience. At this point, I think he has enough experience where the "he's a rookie so he won't be good argument" doesn't apply.

 

As for the other two, you're not basing it on anything more than the fact that they don't have a lot of experience. I don't expect them to be spectacular, but I don't think it's unreasonable to think that they will at least be sufficient.

 

Wang should have another solid season, although I'll give you the fact that Mussina will probably not be very good.

 

However, whether it's Santana or someone else, I expect the Yankees' rotation to be at least slightly different than it is right now.

Between the three of them I'd be surprised if you get 375- 400 innings. That just won't cut it for three spots in your rotation. I am basing this on my opinion that rookies have a very hard time getting beyond 150 innings as a starter in their rookie years, and I fully expect one of them to bomb out.

[a700hitter]

Right' date=' that was my point. All I'm saying is that they have guys who are capable of doing really nice things, but I would admit that those nice things are more likely to come in 2009 or 2010.[/quote']I think it is far more likrly that you'll get a full season of production from the three of them in 2009 or 2010. I think the likelihood that each of them will contribute significantly next year is small.

[riverside sluggers]

I think you missed the point of my post. I said that the rotation has the potential to be very good. The key word there is potential. Hughes, Chamberlain, and Kennedy, while all being question marks (due to their ages), have the potential to be good. I'm not saying that as a definite, but, again, my original point was that the staff could be good. It's not an awful staff by any means which some of you guys are making it out to be.

 

That's the staff as it is now. As I said before, there are other possibilities...

 

I didnt say its an awful staff, just it remains to be seen what to expect from them (Besides Wang)

[jacksonianmarch]

It remains to be seen what Pettitte will do. Pettitte is the key. Without him, Hughes is our 2 and that isnt how you break in a 21 yr old. If you have a top 2 of Wang and Pettitte, then the other 3 can go through their rookie inconsistencies without too much detriment to the team.