Joe Girardi leads managerial race

[jacksonianmarch]

http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/baseball/yankees/2007/10/28/2007-10-28_joe_girardi_apparent_leader_in_race_for_.html

 

Very interesting. Sounds like Hank and Cashman are on the same page and from the "speculation" and conjecture, two news outlets are reporting that Girardi will be named manager either later today or tomorrow with contract negotiations potentially pushing things into Tuesday.

 

This is what I want. I have said before that I love Don Mattingly, he is the single reason why I am a yankee fan. But I dont think he is the right guy for this club's future, especially since they are getting younger in nearly all facets.

[jacksonianmarch]

ESPN just reported that Girardi will be hired.

[ORS]

Interesting choice. He's a more polarizing guy. I wonder how this impacts player signing decisions. They'll publicly state it doesn't matter, but we all know it does.

[Cocos Disciples]

Woohoo for stealing headlines.

[jacksonianmarch]

Interesting choice. He's a more polarizing guy. I wonder how this impacts player signing decisions. They'll publicly state it doesn't matter' date=' but we all know it does.[/quote']

 

that is certainly a question. Then again, losing Torre was probably the biggest deterrent in that fashion. Girardi was our bench coach a few yrs back and Donnie has been around us for awhile too. It isnt like we are dragging some guy from another organization into this.

[silvercreekcc2006]

Interesting choice. He's a more polarizing guy. I wonder how this impacts player signing decisions. They'll publicly state it doesn't matter' date=' but we all know it does.[/quote']

 

A-Rod and Rivera will most likely be gone. Girardi will never last, Pena doesn't have a chance, so Mattingly would be the smartest choice. It would be fun to see Girardi try to keep his mouth shut for an entire season, howerver, especially when the Yankees are 10 behind at the break. :harhar:

[jacksonianmarch]

A-Rod and Rivera will most likely be gone. Girardi will never last' date=' Pena doesn't have a chance, so Mattingly would be the smartest choice. It would be fun to see Girardi try to keep his mouth shut for an entire season, howerver, especially when the Yankees are 10 behind at the break. :harhar:[/quote']

 

you cannot say that ARod and Rivera of all people will be gone. The only way any of these guys are gone is if we dont pony up the money. And while I'd love to get the picks and revamp the team from within, I have a strong feeling that all of our FAs are coming back.

 

And Girardi keeping his mouth shut? Not the sharpest knife in the drawer then are you. Girardi's problem in Florida is not a problem he will likely face in NY. His owner was heckling an umpire from the stands during a game, which is an absolute No-No in baseball. If Cuban were his owner, then he might have a problem. But our owners will be in the booth. Otherwise, Girardi is a pretty classy guy who works well with the younguns.

[silvercreekcc2006]

you cannot say that ARod and Rivera of all people will be gone. The only way any of these guys are gone is if we dont pony up the money. And while I'd love to get the picks and revamp the team from within, I have a strong feeling that all of our FAs are coming back.

 

And Girardi keeping his mouth shut? Not the sharpest knife in the drawer then are you. Girardi's problem in Florida is not a problem he will likely face in NY. His owner was heckling an umpire from the stands during a game, which is an absolute No-No in baseball. If Cuban were his owner, then he might have a problem. But our owners will be in the booth. Otherwise, Girardi is a pretty classy guy who works well with the younguns.

 

Riiiiight. An Steinbrenner never talks to the media and throws his manager under the bus. Sharper knife than you think. :harhar:

[silvercreekcc2006]

you cannot say that ARod and Rivera of all people will be gone. The only way any of these guys are gone is if we dont pony up the money. And while I'd love to get the picks and revamp the team from within, I have a strong feeling that all of our FAs are coming back.

 

And Girardi keeping his mouth shut? Not the sharpest knife in the drawer then are you. Girardi's problem in Florida is not a problem he will likely face in NY. His owner was heckling an umpire from the stands during a game, which is an absolute No-No in baseball. If Cuban were his owner, then he might have a problem. But our owners will be in the booth. Otherwise, Girardi is a pretty classy guy who works well with the younguns.

 

Mark my words...tick,tick,tick BOOOOOOM. Girardi and Steinbrenner will be a LOT of fun to watch. I hope it happens.

[silvercreekcc2006]

As for the FAs, I think A-Rod will chase the money, and we'll see if the Yankees will open the wallet. Rivera would LOVE to end his career in NY, but that depends on who becomes the manager, and if Torre were still there it would be NO question. Finally, as for building from within, when is the last time THAT happened?

[jacksonianmarch]

Riiiiight. An Steinbrenner never talks to the media and throws his manager under the bus. Sharper knife than you think. :harhar:

 

But he didnt have a problem with public criticism. He had a problem with the fact that his owner was turning the umps against him in a critical game during the game.

[silvercreekcc2006]

On the bright side, they've got nothing better to do right now, so perhaps they'll figure it out. Meanwhile, we're playing baseball. There's still room on the bandwagon, hop on!

[jacksonianmarch]

As for the FAs' date=' I think A-Rod will chase the money, and we'll see if the Yankees will open the wallet. Rivera would LOVE to end his career in NY, but that depends on who becomes the manager, and if Torre were still there it would be NO question. Finally, as for building from within, when is the last time THAT happened?[/quote']

 

On the ARod front, the yankees always open their wallet.

On the Rivera front, you are totally speculating.

On the rebuilding from within front, see 1995-96.

[silvercreekcc2006]

But he didnt have a problem with public criticism. He had a problem with the fact that his owner was turning the umps against him in a critical game during the game.

 

Point well taken. I think it is likely that Girardi will get the job. We'll see how long it takes for a meltdown. If things don't go well, then we know what Girardi is capable of - that's all I'm saying.

[silvercreekcc2006]

On the ARod front, the yankees always open their wallet.

On the Rivera front, you are totally speculating.

On the rebuilding from within front, see 1995-96.

 

Got me there. I guess a focus on re-building from within every 12 years or so when the FA pool dries up is sound strategy.

[a700hitter]

On the rebuilding from within front, see 1995-96.

The building from within actually happened before 95-96. It happened while the Boss was away on his lifetime ban. The Yankees had the luxury of the Boss being out of the picture and the Red Sox sucking in the early '90's (the dark Butch Hobson era). The Red Sox are very, very good and should be contending for division titles into the foreseeable future, so the Yankees will no doubt make a number of "win-now" moves at the expense of prospects.

[jacksonianmarch]

On the bright side' date=' they've got nothing better to do right now, so perhaps they'll figure it out. Meanwhile, we're playing baseball. There's still room on the bandwagon, hop on![/quote']

 

I dont feel as ill as I did in 04, mostly because I didnt have to watch my team perform the greatest hack job of all time right before watching you guys steamroll through the inferior Cardinals. You guys were the better team this yr, and are poised to be the better team next yr too, unless we fill our ace slot with a certain lefty from Minnesota. That being said, the yankee machine lies dormant right now. By the end of this decade, the machine will be rebuilt.

 

And you know what all this revenue sharing ******** is creating? Pathetic teams all around. Seriously, if an example of revenue sharing is having the f***ing terrible Colorado Rockies making the world series, then lets get something new in here.

 

We really didnt understand at the time what a great run the Braves had. When they were in their unprecedented run, they were a constant in the NL, a team we could all see as a worthy opponent. But now, the NL is filled with teams that wouldnt even finish over .500 in the AL and it shows. Seriously, take a look at the rotations of the teams in the NL playoffs this yr. Nobody went 2 deep in solid #1-#3 type pitchers. Nobody.

 

The Cubs had an ace and then a bunch of #4-5's

The Phillies had a #2 and then a bunch of #4-5's

The DBacks had an ace then a bunch of #5's

The Rockies have a #3 as their ace and then a potential ace (Jimenez) and a f***ing guy who couldnt cut it in Pittsburgh (Fogg).

 

Compare that to the pitching staffs in the AL.

 

Anaheim- Lackey and Escobar are aces. Weaver is a #3.

Boston- Beckett is a lights out ace. DMats and Schill were #3's this yr

Cleveland- Sabathia and Carmona were aces.

NYY- Wang, Pettitte and Clemens were #3 type starters

 

This in turn leads to an NL team needing to be totally lucky and get all the breaks to even compete. Lets look at the last few WS's.

 

Last yr- Detroit couldnt field the ball, which StL played flawless baseball.

05- The White Sox overmatched the Astros in the pitching department

04- did that season even happen?

03- The Marlins had the pitching and took advantage of a key injury and our absolute fatigue after beating the sox in 7. (Remember, we couldnt start the way we wanted to in terms of starting pitching, Mariano was unavailable early, Wells got hurt, and that led to Weaver pitching meaningful innings)

02- The Angels had the bullpen, the offense and the pitching. The Giants had a two man offense and one starting pitcher

01- This is the last time that an NL team didnt rely on breaks and still won the WS. Johnson and Schilling on the hill, Yankee comebacks, the pitching, the finish. This was the last time IMO that the world series pitted two foes who had equal clout. And they didnt get there by accident either.

[a700hitter]

ESPN just reported that Girardi will be hired.

 

I will be sorry to see that loser Don Mattingly go. I can't imagine they'll keep him on the bench. That being said. Girardi is an arrogant ass with a temper. He'll crack under the NY pressure without a doubt. They make a big deal of what he did in Florida, but he walked into a situation where he had an infield that included Uggla, HanRam, and Cabrera-- not bad. That is more talent than the entire Arizona lineup.

[a700hitter]

I dont feel as ill as I did in 04...

You are a doctor. Don't you bleed less the second time you get raped in the ass?

[silvercreekcc2006]

I dont feel as ill as I did in 04, mostly because I didnt have to watch my team perform the greatest hack job of all time right before watching you guys steamroll through the inferior Cardinals. You guys were the better team this yr, and are poised to be the better team next yr too, unless we fill our ace slot with a certain lefty from Minnesota. That being said, the yankee machine lies dormant right now. By the end of this decade, the machine will be rebuilt.

 

And you know what all this revenue sharing ******** is creating? Pathetic teams all around. Seriously, if an example of revenue sharing is having the f***ing terrible Colorado Rockies making the world series, then lets get something new in here.

 

We really didnt understand at the time what a great run the Braves had. When they were in their unprecedented run, they were a constant in the NL, a team we could all see as a worthy opponent. But now, the NL is filled with teams that wouldnt even finish over .500 in the AL and it shows. Seriously, take a look at the rotations of the teams in the NL playoffs this yr. Nobody went 2 deep in solid #1-#3 type pitchers. Nobody.

 

The Cubs had an ace and then a bunch of #4-5's

The Phillies had a #2 and then a bunch of #4-5's

The DBacks had an ace then a bunch of #5's

The Rockies have a #3 as their ace and then a potential ace (Jimenez) and a f***ing guy who couldnt cut it in Pittsburgh (Fogg).

 

Compare that to the pitching staffs in the AL.

 

Anaheim- Lackey and Escobar are aces. Weaver is a #3.

Boston- Beckett is a lights out ace. DMats and Schill were #3's this yr

Cleveland- Sabathia and Carmona were aces.

NYY- Wang, Pettitte and Clemens were #3 type starters

 

This in turn leads to an NL team needing to be totally lucky and get all the breaks to even compete. Lets look at the last few WS's.

 

Last yr- Detroit couldnt field the ball, which StL played flawless baseball.

05- The White Sox overmatched the Astros in the pitching department

04- did that season even happen?

03- The Marlins had the pitching and took advantage of a key injury and our absolute fatigue after beating the sox in 7. (Remember, we couldnt start the way we wanted to in terms of starting pitching, Mariano was unavailable early, Wells got hurt, and that led to Weaver pitching meaningful innings)

02- The Angels had the bullpen, the offense and the pitching. The Giants had a two man offense and one starting pitcher

01- This is the last time that an NL team didnt rely on breaks and still won the WS. Johnson and Schilling on the hill, Yankee comebacks, the pitching, the finish. This was the last time IMO that the world series pitted two foes who had equal clout. And they didnt get there by accident either.

 

Consider that if Minnesota would have had a healthy Lariano this past season, they would have had probably the most potent 1 and 2 in the AL. Don't know if you'll get Santana, or Hunter, or both, but MN will most likely dump and re-build. They have one of the MOST effective farm talent programs in baseball. Why? Because they HAVE to. They can't afford to pay them once they fully develop. That's where the Yankees come in. Bosox too (see Josh Beckett).

[jacksonianmarch]

The building from within actually happened before 95-96. It happened while the Boss was away on his lifetime ban. The Yankees had the luxury of the Boss being out of the picture and the Red Sox sucking in the early '90's (the dark Butch Hobson era). The Red Sox are very' date=' very good and should be contending for division titles into the foreseeable future, so the Yankees will no doubt make a number of "win-now" moves at the expense of prospects.[/quote']

 

I doubt we'd clean out our prospect bank. Do I see a few guys moving, absolutely. In fact, I could see a few of our major league guys moving should we acquire a certain lefty from Minnesota. That being said, aside from him, who is out there for us to get? Go team by team.

 

NLE

NYM- contender, not dealing

FLA- Willis, Cabrera? Willis was god awful this yr and Cabrera is more of a Manny style player who may or may not be worth what they will ask.

PHI- contender

ATL- they locked up Smoltz, they are also contenders

WAS- nobody of value

 

NLC-

MIL- contenders for now, Sheets may be available, but again, he cannot stay healthy at all

CHC- contenders

PIT- their pitching is all young and under contract.

CIN- Harang was just locked up, so there isnt anything useful there

HOU- Oswalt was just locked up to a nice deal and he is showing signs of decline and health issues. His frame should scare some people away

STL- Contenders for now, and the only guy worth getting will be done for 08 with TJ surgery

 

NLWest

LA- contenders.

SF- Cain, Lincecum and Zito are all under contract

SD- Peavy is under contract and they will be contenders

ARI- Webb is under a sweet deal too

COL- Francis is also under a sweet deal

 

ALE-

NYY and BOS moot

TOR- trying to be contenders, no way they move Halladay in division

TB- wont deal Kazmir, that is all that matters

BAL- wont deal Bedard either

 

ALC-

CLE- contenders

CWS- contenders

DET- contenders

MIN- here is the only guy who could be dealt- Santana

KC- bleh

 

ALW-

ANA- contenders

SEA- dont see them dealing King Felix

OAK- maybe, just maybe could deal Harden or Blanton. But who'd want Harden right now and Blanton isnt anything to get excited about

TEX- no pitching at all

 

So, if we are to make a trade, who would we be dealing for? We wont be dealing for offense, thats for sure. We have 2 #2-#3 style pitchers so we dont need to fill our rotation with a middle style pitcher. Our only NEED right now is an ACE. And there are very few of those guys around, and only one available. This isnt the mid 90s anymore where 3/4 of the teams are out of it on day 1 and they want to avoid paying big money for players. Nowadays, all the aces are locked up young and are too old to be worth anything when we get a shot at them.

[silvercreekcc2006]

I doubt we'd clean out our prospect bank. Do I see a few guys moving, absolutely. In fact, I could see a few of our major league guys moving should we acquire a certain lefty from Minnesota. That being said, aside from him, who is out there for us to get? Go team by team.

 

NLE

NYM- contender, not dealing

FLA- Willis, Cabrera? Willis was god awful this yr and Cabrera is more of a Manny style player who may or may not be worth what they will ask.

PHI- contender

ATL- they locked up Smoltz, they are also contenders

WAS- nobody of value

 

NLC-

MIL- contenders for now, Sheets may be available, but again, he cannot stay healthy at all

CHC- contenders

PIT- their pitching is all young and under contract.

CIN- Harang was just locked up, so there isnt anything useful there

HOU- Oswalt was just locked up to a nice deal and he is showing signs of decline and health issues. His frame should scare some people away

STL- Contenders for now, and the only guy worth getting will be done for 08 with TJ surgery

 

NLWest

LA- contenders.

SF- Cain, Lincecum and Zito are all under contract

SD- Peavy is under contract and they will be contenders

ARI- Webb is under a sweet deal too

COL- Francis is also under a sweet deal

 

ALE-

NYY and BOS moot

TOR- trying to be contenders, no way they move Halladay in division

TB- wont deal Kazmir, that is all that matters

BAL- wont deal Bedard either

 

ALC-

CLE- contenders

CWS- contenders

DET- contenders

MIN- here is the only guy who could be dealt- Santana

KC- bleh

 

ALW-

ANA- contenders

SEA- dont see them dealing King Felix

OAK- maybe, just maybe could deal Harden or Blanton. But who'd want Harden right now and Blanton isnt anything to get excited about

TEX- no pitching at all

 

So, if we are to make a trade, who would we be dealing for? We wont be dealing for offense, thats for sure. We have 2 #2-#3 style pitchers so we dont need to fill our rotation with a middle style pitcher. Our only NEED right now is an ACE. And there are very few of those guys around, and only one available. This isnt the mid 90s anymore where 3/4 of the teams are out of it on day 1 and they want to avoid paying big money for players. Nowadays, all the aces are locked up young and are too old to be worth anything when we get a shot at them.

 

 

You forgot the most likely prospect, and that is Torii Hunter. I THINK he's still out there, isn't he?

[jacksonianmarch]

he's a FA and I dont think we make even a passing run at him unless we have Melky bagged and tagged for Minnesota.

 

And notice what I put in my above post. We are looking at aces, and Hunter doesnt pitch.

[silvercreekcc2006]

he's a FA and I dont think we make even a passing run at him unless we have Melky bagged and tagged for Minnesota.

 

And notice what I put in my above post. We are looking at aces, and Hunter doesnt pitch.

 

Twinkees can't afford what he's worth. We'll see if he plays with his heart, or wallet. Yankees can swoop him up easily.

[silvercreekcc2006]

he's a FA and I dont think we make even a passing run at him unless we have Melky bagged and tagged for Minnesota.

 

And notice what I put in my above post. We are looking at aces, and Hunter doesnt pitch.

 

True. But he gives you some bargaining power.

[TheKilo]

Did Jacko really call the '04 Cardinals inferior?

 

If memory serves, they won more games than Boston that season.

 

 

In respect to this thread, hiring Girardi is the best thing the Yanks can do. Take that how you will.

[silvercreekcc2006]

Did Jacko really call the '04 Cardinals inferior?

 

If memory serves, they won more games than Boston that season.

 

 

In respect to this thread, hiring Girardi is the best thing the Yanks can do. Take that how you will.

 

I agree. For the potential implosion factor alone! Where ya been Kilo? Colorado?

[zackredsox]

I guess the Yankees wants another Joe. Girardi will obviously need to loosen his grip. He is not dealing with a young team. I think he can because he knows some of the key Yankee players from his days as a Yankee. Whether he will destroy some young arms is another question. But hopefully NY pressure gets to him.

[Cocos Disciples]

The White Sox are not contenders. They insist on making little-none big changes. They will suck again in 2008 unless something drastic happens. That, and Ozzie Guillen said he'll bunt with Konerko/Thome/Dye.

[jacksonianmarch]

zach, you are a moron