Schilling revisited.

[das11209]

So - did Curt give any hint that he would retire or stay in Red Sox for another year after he got his second ring with us? Just curious.

[ORS]

He's got it all in his blog at 38pitches.com. He only wants to play one more year, and his preference is to finish his career with the Sox. They just need to agree on terms.

[a700hitter]

I don't see how we don't sign him for one more year.

[MANNYHOF24]

Schilling will be back next season. Him only wanting one year now makes it almost a slam dunk IMO. I think this is a very good thing for the Red Sox. This gives us a very solid rotation of Beckett, DiceK, Schilling, Lester and Buchholz with Potentially Wake if he decides to come back. Schilling will be good to have around for Lester and Clay. Schill prepares better than anyone probably in baseball history and it can't hurt for those guys to learn from him. Also let's not overlook the fact that after he came off the disabled list he pitched really well including the postseason.

[Mr Crunchy]

sign him for 1 year for what he wants

then dl him till august 1st and make him wear a f***ing muzzle

its nice to have him ready in october but i dont think his body can deal with a 7 month season

the way we used him this summer was exceptional and he rewarded us in october

again.

maybe the yankees will pro rate a 50,000,000.00 deal for him to show up

it would be a better investment than that gutless **** clemens was....

[VA Sox Fan]

Definitely resign him. I think he'll show up to Spring Training in much better shape and be more prepared for 2008.

[mtbykr]

Shill's on WEEI right now, and just confirmed that nothings changed...he just wants the 1 year 13mil contract.

 

 

http://www.surfmusic.de/radio-station/weei-850-am,6068.html

[Mr Crunchy]

pay him

pay him and lets be done with this

we can pencil in a .700 winning % and if he stays off the hot buttered popcorn and 44oz sodas hes capable of a 15+18 win summer and another round of october success...

you dont want this guy going anywhere where he may come back to hurt us..

[rician blast]

I tend to be in the "baseball is a business" camp and understand when management lets someone walk, but

 

In this case, regardless of what he might bring to the table next year, sign this guy, keep him in the fold, make him one of our own instead of diluting his career and our memories of him with one last season in Philly or, heh, heh, Tampa.

 

Let this guy go out (if he does go out...I have suspicions that if 2008 were a productive year you might just see him looking for another 1 year deal) with a B on the hat.

 

That's the way it should be.

[MANNYHOF24]

Pay Schilling. 1 year at 13 million is not that bad. It will be worth it for this club next year as he showed that he still has something left in the tank this postseason. Could there be a better option for a 3rd starter for us next season?

[BoSox21]

Beckett

Dice-K

Schilling

Buchholz

Lester/Wakefield

 

thats good enough for me for '08 and incredibly realistic

[jacksonianmarch]

Schilling is putting Theo in a bind right now. I think we all know that management wants to work these kids in, but we all know that sox fans want Schilling back. And knowledgeable sox fans want him back on a short term deal. He is saying everything that the fans want right now and it will make Theo look like the bad guy if he walks. Then again, how bad is Theo, you just won your 2nd title.

[TheKilo]

Schilling is putting Theo in a bind right now. I think we all know that management wants to work these kids in' date=' but we all know that sox fans want Schilling back. And knowledgeable sox fans want him back on a short term deal. He is saying everything that the fans want right now and it will make Theo look like the bad guy if he walks. Then again, how bad is Theo, you just won your 2nd title.[/quote']

 

Holy crap.

 

Lester is good for how many innings next year, 165?

Buchholz more of the same?

Wakefield has a $4m option. Given his injury risk, why can't he be used as a spot starter/long reliever (take over JT's role)

Schilling can be the 5th starter.

 

They're not gonna go for broke with these kids next year. It's very possible to "break them in" and still sign Schilling.

[mtbykr]

I think 13mil for one year is worth the risk. Pitching is expensive and it's only one year...not to mention the clement $10mil a year is coming off the books

[mtbykr]

Holy crap.

 

Lester is good for how many innings next year, 165?

Buchholz more of the same?

Wakefield has a $4m option. Given his injury risk, why can't he be used as a spot starter/long reliever (take over JT's role)

Schilling can be the 5th starter.

 

They're not gonna go for broke with these kids next year. It's very possible to "break them in" and still sign Schilling.

 

Exactly, Lester is still getting his strength back and we can't be sure of what we will get innings wise from him and buch.

[rician blast]

Interesting talk on EEI today. Apparently (forgive me if I'm repeating something you've heard) there has been some discussion on actually setting up a "pitching rest schedule"...a way to actually build in rest time to the rotation.

 

Assuming the team can stay near the top of the playoff picture throughout, I like the idea.

 

Wonder if some pitchers would balk at it, worrying they won't get as many starts as they might like?

[Jayhawk Bill]

Wakefield has a $4m option. Given his injury risk, why can't he be used as a spot starter/long reliever (take over JT's role)

Schilling can be the 5th starter.

 

No trouble with Schilling being the whateverth starter at $13 million for one--exactly one--year. That's not much of a premium over his likely talent level, and you know that he can get a better premium elsewhere in this free agent market.

 

***

 

Regarding Wakefield, he did pitch 189 innings and win 17 games this year. He's pitched 140 innings or more for 13 consecutive seasons--and that counts one season where he earned 15 saves as a closer. Given the talent of the other five pitchers we're discussing, I don't fault the suggestion that he fill Julian Tavarez's role.

 

I just think that it's a little early to label him an "injury risk." How many other active pitchers have thrown 140 or more IP for as many consecutive seasons? Jamie Moyer has twelve...I believe that only Mussina, Glavine and Maddux equal or surpass Tim Wakefield in that regard. That's pretty good company; I'm not disappointed with Tim Wakefield regarding his frequency of injury.

[TheKilo]

Regarding Wakefield, he did pitch 189 innings and win 17 games this year. He's pitched 140 innings or more for 13 consecutive seasons--and that counts one season where he earned 15 saves as a closer. Given the talent of the other five pitchers we're discussing, I don't fault the suggestion that he fill Julian Tavarez's role.

 

I just think that it's a little early to label him an "injury risk." How many other active pitchers have thrown 140 or more IP for as many consecutive seasons? Jamie Moyer has twelve...I believe that only Mussina, Glavine and Maddux equal or surpass Tim Wakefield in that regard. That's pretty good company; I'm not disappointed with Tim Wakefield regarding his frequency of injury.

 

I tend to agree, however I'm not entirely sure you can call Wakefield "durable" any longer, seeing as he is on the wrong side of 40 and has now had his season interrupted by injury two seasons in a row.

 

His back left him last year, and this year it was his back/shoulder. If Wake slides into that long relief role I feel his effectiveness can be maximized while cutting down risk of injury, and maybe we can cut bait with Dougie as a result.

[ORS]

Interesting talk on EEI today. Apparently (forgive me if I'm repeating something you've heard) there has been some discussion on actually setting up a "pitching rest schedule"...a way to actually build in rest time to the rotation.

 

Assuming the team can stay near the top of the playoff picture throughout, I like the idea.

 

Wonder if some pitchers would balk at it, worrying they won't get as many starts as they might like?

I'm all for it if we don't see a dip in quality. There is only one horse on this staff right now, Beckett. Dice is still adjusting to the longer season and longer work week. The kids will require monitoring of their workload. Schilling and Wake seem to like a little extra time between starts. I don't think a full-on 6-man staff is the way to go, but I think they could work something out where Wake slots in every so often to give everyone other than Beckett extra rest.

[ksushi]

I tend to agree, however I'm not entirely sure you can call Wakefield "durable" any longer, seeing as he is on the wrong side of 40 and has now had his season interrupted by injury two seasons in a row.

 

His back left him last year, and this year it was his back/shoulder. If Wake slides into that long relief role I feel his effectiveness can be maximized while cutting down risk of injury, and maybe we can cut bait with Dougie as a result.

 

Wake told the club when Dougie goes, he goes.

[redsoxrules]

http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/story/7390770

[TheKilo]

Wake told the club when Dougie goes' date=' he goes.[/quote']

 

This has been said time and time again. You have a link or something, because I'm fairly certain that it's not true.

[a700hitter]

It's one year. It's a no brainer to sign him. Pitching is at a premium. He's worth the one year risk. We are still paying for Rent a Wreck. We can pay Schilling one more year.

[TheKilo]

It's one year. It's a no brainer to sign him. Pitching is at a premium. He's worth the one year risk. We are still paying for Rent a Wreck. We can pay Schilling one more year.

 

Agreeeeeeeeeeeeeed

[example1]

It's one year. It's a no brainer to sign him. Pitching is at a premium. He's worth the one year risk. We are still paying for Rent a Wreck. We can pay Schilling one more year.

 

Absolutely. 1 year, maximum. Sign him and let him help the Clay Buchholz's of the world rather than the Mike Pelfrey's or Jared Weaver's. Hopefully he'll be the 4th starter should the playoffs come about.

[Beckett95]

After Boston being his first choice, heres the list of the other teams Curt would sign with

 

Cleveland, Detroit, Anaheim, New York Mets, Philadelphia, Atlanta, L.A., S.D., Arizona, Chicago Cubs, St. Louis, Milwaukee

[das11209]

After Boston being his first choice, heres the list of the other teams Curt would sign with

 

Cleveland, Detroit, Anaheim, New York Mets, Philadelphia, Atlanta, L.A., S.D., Arizona, Chicago Cubs, St. Louis, Milwaukee

 

What happened to Tampa?

[rician blast]

Didn't Schilling come into camp in awful shape purportedly due to all the time he put into starting up his Company? IF that is somewhat behind him, I think you could make a case that he could come into the 2008 campaign in much better condition and actually improve...not fall off...from 2007.

 

Schill's a smart guy, a competetive guy and a proud guy...if given a 1 yr deal I have to believe he's going to do what it takes in the off-season to be better than competetive and I suspect he'd get 15-16 or so wins.

 

If I'm the Sox I make this deal.

[BoSox21]

I think if you're the Red Sox, you gotta sign Schilling on his terms, 1 year at $13 mil. Provided they re-sign Lowell, this team has a serious shot at winning again next year (unlike in 2005) but without Schilling, I don't think the Sox have enough depth in the rotation to be a serious contender. I also don't think they'd be able to replace Schilling through free agency, not with the lack of depth hitting the market.

 

So with Schilling, you're looking at a rotation of Beckett, Dice-K, Schilling, Lester, Buchholz/Wakefield which is a very good rotation. Without Schilling, you have too many question marks to consider the rotation a real stength

 

Then for 2009, you'd think Lester, Dice-K and Buchholz will be progressed in their development enough to be considered locks for the rotation so then it would be the perfect time for Schilling and probably Wakefield to leave Boston

[TheKilo]

If this team is willing to pay Clemens $18 mil for half a season, they can spend $13 mil on Schilling.

 

Gordon Edes thinks he's gone:

Red Sox pitcher Curt Schilling filed for free agency yesterday, after telling a radio audience that "there's a very realistic chance I won't ever play" for the team again.

Asked if Schilling would be back, the team source said, "I don't think so. We have such a strong nucleus of pitching with Josh Beckett, Daisuke Matsuzaka, Jon Lester, and Clay Buchholz. We'll talk about it. We'll be reasonable. We'll see what happens."

 

http://www.boston.com/sports/baseball/redsox/articles/2007/10/31/schilling_seems_headed_for_exit/

 

I'm very skeptical of unnamed sources.