REVERSE DICKPUNCH ALERT!!! TORRE TO BE ASKED BACK TO MANAGE NYY

[Mr Crunchy]

this guy had his team play 700 ball after the break

he didnt lose the team or the vets and he mixed in all those young kids without any issues

go ahead and fire him

demand he take a pay cut and humilate him in the press

i do enjoy this s***

[Gom]

Remind me the last time the fact that Joe has blown out his bullpen cost the Yankees their season.

 

As for having them steal, we're going to have to agree to disagree on this one, because I don't believe in having those guys steal a ton of bases. Before you complain about the Yankee's offense this year, you might want to take a look at the numbers they put up.

2004, going to Gordon, overworking him. Blowing out the arm of Sturtze, Quantrill, Vizcaino. Overusing Proctor. Are you going to tell me that Torre knows how to manage a pen?

 

I mean, come on...when your GM has to call you and tell you that you are overworking your pen...and he is a pencil necked geek who probably couldn't hit a wiffle ball, and you are a former All-Star catcher...get real.

 

As for running...Martinez is weak behind the plate. They should have run all day long. Put the ball in play, make them make the plays to beat you. When the pitching gets better in the post-season, runs become harder to come by. It's different if he didn't have the tools. But he does. He should have been running with all of his players that can run. Abreu, Damon, Jeter, Arod. Running, or at least letting the other team you will, results in more fastballs, better counts, etc. Keeps you out of double plays, which, I believe the Yankees may have hit into one or two times that series.

 

You don't run on the Tigers. However, teams with weak throwing catchers, which is pretty much the Guardians and the Red Sox, I would run all day on them. He doesn't utilize the tools he has. He sucks.

[TheKilo]

2004' date=' going to Gordon, overworking him. Blowing out the arm of Sturtze, Quantrill, Vizcaino. Overusing Proctor. Are you going to tell me that Torre knows how to manage a pen?[/quote']

 

Vizcaino was pretty good for you guys in the second half.

Proctor pitched his best games toward the end of last year, as a result of being "overworked."

 

I mean, come on...when your GM has to call you and tell you that you are overworking your pen...and he is a pencil necked geek who probably couldn't hit a wiffle ball, and you are a former All-Star catcher...get real.

 

Link?

 

Besides, if the starters could give them more than 4 innings their pen wouldn't have been so taxed.

 

As for running...Martinez is weak behind the plate. They should have run all day long. Put the ball in play, make them make the plays to beat you. When the pitching gets better in the post-season, runs become harder to come by. It's different if he didn't have the tools. But he does. He should have been running with all of his players that can run. Abreu, Damon, Jeter, Arod. Running, or at least letting the other team you will, results in more fastballs, better counts, etc. Keeps you out of double plays, which, I believe the Yankees may have hit into one or two times that series.

 

Maybe. Jeter's knee was really bothering him though, it was quite visible so I dunno if you run with him. The rest maybe.

 

You don't run on the Tigers. However, teams with weak throwing catchers, which is pretty much the Guardians and the Red Sox, I would run all day on them. He doesn't utilize the tools he has. He sucks.

 

If "he doesn't steal enough" is your main criticism, then IMO he shouldn't be fired. In order for stealing to be a worthwhile venture you have to be successful at least 70% of the time. Otherwise you're just consistently running into outs.

[Mr Crunchy]

whos going to steal when your down 3 runs and power is coming up?

better yet

how can you steal when youre not on base?

the yanks ran some this year but damon is constantly banged up or out of shape depending on who you ask..

if im not mistaken arod jetsey and damon all stole 25 bases this year

 

anyways

situatiions call for stealing and the yanks really had no oppurtunity to steal be it from a lack of base runners or the score in the game.

[yankees228]

2004, going to Gordon, overworking him. Blowing out the arm of Sturtze, Quantrill, Vizcaino. Overusing Proctor. Are you going to tell me that Torre knows how to manage a pen?

 

I mean, come on...when your GM has to call you and tell you that you are overworking your pen...and he is a pencil necked geek who probably couldn't hit a wiffle ball, and you are a former All-Star catcher...get real.

 

As for running...Martinez is weak behind the plate. They should have run all day long. Put the ball in play, make them make the plays to beat you. When the pitching gets better in the post-season, runs become harder to come by. It's different if he didn't have the tools. But he does. He should have been running with all of his players that can run. Abreu, Damon, Jeter, Arod. Running, or at least letting the other team you will, results in more fastballs, better counts, etc. Keeps you out of double plays, which, I believe the Yankees may have hit into one or two times that series.

 

You don't run on the Tigers. However, teams with weak throwing catchers, which is pretty much the Guardians and the Red Sox, I would run all day on them. He doesn't utilize the tools he has. He sucks.

 

I asked you if Torre's bullpen management has cost them a world series. You failed to answer that question. If Mariano Rivera had gotten three outs in game four the Yankees would have won the ALCS and probably the World Series. Don't bring Gordon into the mix, because he is not really the reason that they lost.

 

Oh, and Gom, before you trash Martinez take a look at where he ranked this year in terms of throwing out potential base stealers. You might be surprised considering what the perception is.

[VA Sox Fan]

From the Globe:

 

October 18, 2007

 

Torre out as Yankee manager

By Nick Cafardo, Globe Staff

 

Joe Torre has turned down a 1-year deal with a vested option to return to manage the Yankees, president Randy Levine just said in a conference call.

 

Levine said the Yankee brass offered Torre a $5 million base with $1 million in signing bonuses, $1 million for making the ALCS and $1 million if he made the World Series. Levine said the option would vest if Torre made it to the World Series for $8 million in 2009.

 

Levine said Torre turned the deal down and now the Yankees are going "to move quickly" to hire a new manager, but did not reveal who.

 

Posted By: ncafardo | Time: 04:06:13 PM

[mtbykr]

seems pretty obvious they didn't want Torre there, and now Torre's the guy who walked away instead of the yanks letting him go......i doubt the NY fans will buy it though

[jacksonianmarch]

it was a more than fair offer. I am happy it happened this way rather than just not giving an offer at all. But the Torre reign is over. Great successes overriding horrible in game management.

[YAZMAN]

Let's fast forward to June 2008:

 

FIRE DONNY' date=' FIRE DONNY!!![/i']

[jacksonianmarch]

Let's fast forward to June 2008:

 

We shall see. If he is a mirror image of Torre, then that certainly could be the case. I'd love to have Girardi out there.

[YAZMAN]

I'd love to have Girardi out there.

 

That would be great for you, then you'd be able to reuse all your "FIRE JOE, FIRE JOE!! clipart.

[a700hitter]

Does any other manager make as much as $5 million/year? Torre was an idiot to turn down this deal.

[redsoxrules]

Does any other manager make as much as $5 million/year? Torre was an idiot to turn down this deal.

 

I'm pretty sure that money wasent the reason he turned down the deal

[a700hitter]

I'm pretty sure that money wasent the reason he turned down the deal

Unless they were going to make him sit on the bench naked, he's an idiot for turning it down. They haven't wanted him there for the last couple of years and he didn't walk away. What changed now that he walked away other than the money?

[Gom]

For five million a year, you can abuse me all you want. Do guys have any idea how much that is?

 

That's $416,666 A MONTH.

That's $96,153 A WEEK.

 

For sucking at your job. f*** HIM.

[Mr Crunchy]

torres got his money

he doesnt need to take the insult or the ******** for an extra couple mill per

the yanks offered him enuff to walk away and enuff to pretend they wanted him

good,more chaos in the cesspool known as the bronx

what is going to develop now?

will rivera petitte and whorrrrrrre heey bolt?

will torre be managing in baltimore or losangeles?

what about boston?

[Gom]

Pretend they want him????

 

By offering more money than any manager in baseball???? Are you serious?

[TheKilo]

Pretend they want him????

 

By offering more money than any manager in baseball???? Are you serious?

 

The pretending is the one year deal portion.

[schillingouttheks]

Pretend they want him????

 

By offering more money than any manager in baseball???? Are you serious?

 

$5M for ONE YEAR? Yeah, $5M for one year can't be stomached by them in a worst case scenario.

 

If they really wanted him, they would have offered him multiple years. Good for Torre. He didn't deserve the s*** he got.

[VA Sox Fan]

bump for mosox

[jacksonianmarch]

$5M for ONE YEAR? Yeah' date=' $5M for one year can't be stomached by them in a [b']worst case[/b] scenario.

 

If they really wanted him, they would have offered him multiple years. Good for Torre. He didn't deserve the s*** he got.

 

are you continuing to stir the pot just to get a rise out of us. Its not working. Joe was given a more than fair offer and he turned it down.

[TheKilo]

are you continuing to stir the pot just to get a rise out of us. Its not working. Joe was given a more than fair offer and he turned it down.

 

Joe made it known he wanted to manage til he was 70. He's 67.

 

At the very least he should have gotten more than one guaranteed year.

 

This way NYY makes a pathetic attempt to save face.

[jacksonianmarch]

Joe made it known he wanted to manage til he was 70. He's 67.

 

At the very least he should have gotten more than one guaranteed year.

 

This way NYY makes a pathetic attempt to save face.

 

Joe Torre made 19.2 million dollars over the past 3 season. 19.2. That is the highest AAV for a manager in the history of the game by FAR. That contract saw the yankees go 4-9 in the postseason while watching the sox win their first division title this season. What made Torre earn anything more?

 

Well look at his second halves!!!!

If his team didnt suck during the first half, then maybe he wouldnt have needed to go balls out in the second half.

 

Its the TEAM who is at fault, not the manager!!!!

How is a manager judged then? Why do managers get fired? Who knows, right?

 

The playoffs are a CRAPSHOOT!!!

Then dont give him credit for 4 WS titles while blowing off the next 7 yrs of his career.

 

He put his players in a position to win and they SUCKED!!!

Total lie. Ask Tom Gordon or Paul Quantrill if they were in a position to win come October? How about Steve Karsay, who Torre managed into retirement. Scott Proctor says hello. As does Vizcaino, who was as useless as he was in april when he threw in October, because Torre used him too often. He hasnt left a bullpen in a position to win for the playoffs since Stanton and Nelson broke away the first time. His pens are tired. His players are tired.

 

At the same time, there has been some articles that hit this thing right on the head. In the late 90s, the yankees needed no motivation. They had guys who got up for every game, playing as if their lives depended on it. Those guys left, and in came the guys we bought, who were confident in their ability and were okay with complacency and that is what Torre allowed, complacency. No fire, they came to work, and went home. Yeah, they turned it on when it looked like they were out of it, but they payed the toll for having to be in overdrive for the last 3 months after being stuck in neutral for the better part of the spring. We need someone who wont allow complacency. As I have said before, Torre's approach is great for the regular season. He'll use up every single game to get his team there, but his approach has left his teams unprepared for the playoffs. No sense of urgency, and it hurt us. It was time for a change, and I am glad that he left on his terms. i dont care what any of the other morons think of this move, it was more than generous. If you dont think so then you are solely trying to lay it on thick and try to get us mad. Nobody in their right mind would think that the deal laid forth by management was unfair. He didnt deserve another contract like he had. He was given a contract that he could earn and he didnt want to take that route. Goodbye to likely the most overrated personality in NY sports history, good riddance.

[Gom]

He was given a contract that he could earn and he didnt want to take that route. Goodbye to likely the most overrated personality in NY sports history' date=' good riddance.[/quote']

Bingo.

 

For once, we are in complete and utter agreement.

[TheKilo]

Joe Torre made 19.2 million dollars over the past 3 season. 19.2. That is the highest AAV for a manager in the history of the game by FAR. That contract saw the yankees go 4-9 in the postseason while watching the sox win their first division title this season. What made Torre earn anything more?

 

His players loved him and he was able to handle the pressure cooker of NYY better than ANY OTHER MANAGER during Steinbrenner's tenure.

 

If the players give him credit for the turnaround, why don't you?

 

Well look at his second halves!!!!

If his team didnt suck during the first half, then maybe he wouldnt have needed to go balls out in the second half.

 

Well, how did he manage them to a 14.5 game deficit? Tell me please.

 

Its the TEAM who is at fault, not the manager!!!!

How is a manager judged then? Why do managers get fired? Who knows, right?

 

Typically I thought it was the team's record, and the relationship they had with the players, and how well they manage the relationships in the clubhouse. Torre has done a pretty good job on all three counts.

 

The playoffs are a CRAPSHOOT!!!

Then dont give him credit for 4 WS titles while blowing off the next 7 yrs of his career.

 

If they aren't a crapshoot, don't blame him for his teams' losses the last three years. Blame the players.

 

He put his players in a position to win and they SUCKED!!!

Total lie. Ask Tom Gordon or Paul Quantrill if they were in a position to win come October?

 

Look at Tom Gordon's career postseason numbers. He's been consistently bad wherever he goes.

 

How about Steve Karsay, who Torre managed into retirement.

 

Didn't he get hurt?

 

Scott Proctor says hello.

 

How come he was excellent in August/September last year, even though "he was being overworked"?

 

As does Vizcaino, who was as useless as he was in april when he threw in October, because Torre used him too often.

 

Were you complaining when Vizcaino was supremely effective from June-September?

 

Besides, in must win games in the middle of the season, would you rather he used Farnsworth? Bruney?

 

He hasnt left a bullpen in a position to win for the playoffs since Stanton and Nelson broke away the first time. His pens are tired. His players are tired.

 

Maybe because the starting rotation that's been assembled for him since them SUCKED BALLS.

 

When your starters don't go past 5, you have to use your bullpen. Duhhhhhhhhh.

 

At the same time, there has been some articles that hit this thing right on the head. In the late 90s, the yankees needed no motivation. They had guys who got up for every game, playing as if their lives depended on it.

 

Why do these guys give Torre so much credit then?

 

Those guys left, and in came the guys we bought, who were confident in their ability and were okay with complacency and that is what Torre allowed, complacency. No fire, they came to work, and went home. Yeah, they turned it on when it looked like they were out of it, but they payed the toll for having to be in overdrive for the last 3 months after being stuck in neutral for the better part of the spring.

 

So basically, you wanted Torre to pull a Lou Piniella?

 

 

We need someone who wont allow complacency. As I have said before, Torre's approach is great for the regular season. He'll use up every single game to get his team there, but his approach has left his teams unprepared for the playoffs. No sense of urgency, and it hurt us. It was time for a change, and I am glad that he left on his terms. i dont care what any of the other morons think of this move, it was more than generous. If you dont think so then you are solely trying to lay it on thick and try to get us mad. Nobody in their right mind would think that the deal laid forth by management was unfair. He didnt deserve another contract like he had. He was given a contract that he could earn and he didnt want to take that route. Goodbye to likely the most overrated personality in NY sports history, good riddance.

 

The sense of entitlement in this post is staggering.

[Gom]

Would you rather have Torre than Francano, Kilo?

 

Is Torre worth to his team three times more important than Francona's is to his team? Twice as much as Pinella's? Four times as much as Leyland's?

 

HE WAS OFFERED THE HIGHEST SALARY IN BASEBALL NO MATTER WHAT THE OUTCOME OF HIS TEAM'S PERFORMANCE!!!

 

He turned it down. Do you realize that with every incentive for every other manager, he still would have made more than any manager in baseball next year?

 

Joe Torre's sense of entitlement is staggering. Get it right.

[YAZMAN]

For five million a year, you can abuse me all you want. Do guys have any idea how much that is?

 

That's $416,666 A MONTH.

That's $96,153 A WEEK.

 

For sucking at your job. f*** HIM.

 

Jenna Jameson sucks at her job and she makes way more than that. He needs to find a better use of that schnozz than managing MLB.

[Gom]

Jenna Jameson sucks at her job and she makes way more than that. He needs to find a better use of that schnozz than managing MLB.

 

91K for a week of blow jobs from Jenna Jameson. Too rich for me. How much for just one?

[YAZMAN]

91K for a week of blow jobs from Jenna Jameson. Too rich for me. How much for just one?

 

Don't forget the medical bill for the heart attact or head trauma from hitting the floor after passing out, LOL!

[Gom]

I've had girls as hot as Jenna. I've had blowjobs that I guess were as good as the one's she gives.

 

Never had both in the same girl. I'd be married if I had found that.